If I slot the back elbow and ...
Early (MLB) TTB is over by then
This is one of the critical differences between high level and youth swings.
If I slot the back elbow and ...
I teach a triangle turn. I do think the elbows need to work together properly -- front elbow 'rides up the ramp' (or left or right, inside/outside) to the appropriate pitch location. Back elbow keeps its proper relationship to the front elbow.If I slot the back elbow and work the front elbow above the ball at the same time from a leveraged position, the barrel turns, the triangle rotates. I don't have to think about TTB with the hands at all. That's not saying I think the hands are dead
I teach a triangle turn. I do think the elbows need to work together properly -- front elbow 'rides up the ramp' (or left or right, inside/outside) to the appropriate pitch location. Back elbow keeps its proper relationship to the front elbow.
Slam the V into a stop swing (via a heavy bag) is something I think can be a very useful teaching tool, especially for younger hitters.
That said, I still like the hitter to be executing that triangle turn by working the barrel between her hands....
In other words (reversing your phrase), if I work the hands properly, I don't have to think about the triangle turn at all
So you believe that in a high level swing TTB happens with the hands and then the process of elbow slot is initiated... I see all this occurring in unison. Of course the great debate is what turns the barrel, I'm still not convinced it's the isolated movement of the handsEarly (MLB) TTB is over by then
This is one of the critical differences between high level and youth swings.
Question, do any of you actually pick up a bat try some of the crap we are talking about? , I don't mean that as an insult, just curious if you guys are video analysis strictly or like a more practical approach of picking up the lumber and swinging it?
Cool, yes I like to get a feel for the things we discuss. There have been quite a few light bulb moments over the past 3 yearsI can't speak for others, but I swing quite a bit. In the last 12 months, I have not had as much opportunity as I would like to swing off live pitching, but I still work in a cage as often as I can.
If the hands and upper body resist as long as possible, wouldn’t the triangle be created and maintained? I swing too and when I resist hard with the upper body my obliques engage like crazy and my lead elbow works higher. Once I start thinking about thinking about a hand movement my obliques disengage and all my focus goes to my hands. That’s just my swing feelingsSo you believe that in a high level swing TTB happens with the hands and then the process of elbow slot is initiated... I see all this occurring in unison. Of course the great debate is what turns the barrel, I'm still not convinced it's the isolated movement of the hands
I hit all the time, up until this fall had a cage in my backyard (finally gave my yard back to my wife). I've both coached and given lessons to players I've coached (never as a full-time instructor). When I was learning some of this 'new stuff' after finding DFP and other outlets my wife used to make fun of me for practicing coiling while walking through the store and hand pivots while drivingQuestion, do any of you actually pick up a bat try some of the crap we are talking about? , I don't mean that as an insult, just curious if you guys are video analysis strictly or like a more practical approach of picking up the lumber and swinging it?
I think there's more to it than that. My DD was resisting and barrel path was still messed up, triangle was not maintained. elbows got glued to her side. Maybe you are just doing it naturally or somewhere along the way you learned to maintain the triangle.. I believe it's more than just resistance.If the hands and upper body resist as long as possible, wouldn’t the triangle be created and maintained? I swing too and when I resist hard with the upper body my obliques engage like crazy and my lead elbow works higher. Once I start thinking about thinking about a hand movement my obliques disengage and all my focus goes to my hands. That’s just my swing feelings