That’s excellent, I think we’re making real progress here, because I believe you’re starting to see the distinction in terms that I was trying to make between the difference in what you were calling “hip extension” and doing in the exercise when you were attempting it, and what I was saying it was, and thus doing and trying to explain differently wrt the exercise.
To summarize, you were using “hip extension” to move yourself forward, while I was using “hip extension” to “open” the joint itself. This is a big difference in definitions, but also very necessary to understand why we view what’s happening in Freddie’s swing differently terminology wise…although I believe we’re both seeing/analyzing it the same which is excellent for the conversation.
In order to try to keep this as brief as possible, I’m gonna try to cut out as much of the minutia details as possible, and just propose my different definitions of what I’m calling what the rear leg does in moving the hitter from “linear to rotational” if you remember my several posts wrt that concept another buddy of mine came up with.
What you’re still calling the move out (stride) as “hip extension”, I’m saying that’s simply the hitter using “leg extension” (or "abduction" more correctly) to move himself forward…a lateral leg raise exercise only from a standing position if you will. This is a “linear” move of the rear leg moving the PG forward with little to no “rotational” value in it as of yet. Going one step further, what happens if/when the hitter puts some rearward coil “around” that forward moving leg with the PG? Would that linear rear “leg extension” (abduction) then actually have some rear “hip flexion” in it…or would you still just call that whole move forward “hip extension” as you did in the exercise, and are doing now?
Once the hitter moves out laterally to his “FYB” position, this is where I believe the actual “RHE” starts the “rotational” usage of the rear leg (ER) to launch the swing (yes, along with the contracting obliques for the others reading along).
When the femoral head reaches its full ROM within the acetabulum, is when you see that final little “thrust” or “umph” of the rear hip -slightly up and forward - when the rear leg and/or body don’t have any additional forward movement…as the hitter has already gone from the “linear" (leg extension/abduction) move to the "rotational" (hip extension) movement at this point in the swing....and two distinct differences in terminology (at least IMO anyway).
I have no idea what a “torso pulse” is, and as such won’t take up anymore of your time trying to reply to it one way or the other.
So that’s what I think wrt all of it. Similar, but definitely with some distinct (and important) differences as well IMO.
I feel like we are/were not looking at the same thing at all. Its not for a move out or forward. Not sure where you got that from. When I say hip extension I mean the definition of hip extension that everyone uses. Not some other movement misinterpeted as hip extension.
Watch this video. This is hip extension isolated about as much as you can isolate it as a movement on your feet.
Edit for Synopsis: she's using her hips to swing her torso to swing whatever is in her hands.
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