Bat Path

[DRDRODD]

Lots to unpack. Here's a simple theory.
Wile E Coyote gets a rubber band and stretches against it as far as he can, then let's go. Zooom. The band contracts and Wile E. takes off.
Now take Wile E. and after he stretches the band as far as he can, pull the front anchor point violently with a large force. The band will stretch more than Wile E. could stretch it by himself.
Now stretch the band and then as the band reaches it's limit and the front anchor us moved, have Wile E. run against the pull of the band.

Turn the shoulders back against a forward moving and gently is opening front hip via external rotation of the rear leg. Creates stretch on the core.
At launch, push the front leg rearward against the pelvis to create a more forceful turn. Simultaneously, throw the barrel rearward via tTB to create an even bigger stretch. Then contract the core against the left turn pull of the pelvis to catch up with the hips.

Anchoring the rear leg may stop the pelvis from rotating.
What stretch does it create and where would the energy be released?

Check out how the forward "drag" or "skip" movement of the rear leg after it becomes unweighted and that the contraction of the femoris rectus pulls against the sacrum to counter rotate it so the spine can positively rotate. Frette's 1st law. This mechanism is how the body ambulates... the pull of the "swing leg" counter rotates the sacrum and the gear effect rotates the lumbar spine in the opposite direction.
Possibly, if the rear leg remains anchored or moves in a scissor, the pull of the femoral rectus (quad muscle) and resulting counter rotation of the sacrum, could have the same positive rotational effect.

WRT the bold...... The problem that I have with this is that it isn't very controllable it lacks stability and has poor direction.

WRT the Red....... The stretch is across the front of the body from the rear foot to the lead shoulder. There is also a stretch across the back from the lead foot up to the rear shoulder..... I do not understand the energy release question.

The force is being created within in the body the ground is merely an amplifier. Just look at the Jeter jump throw, it is all there if you really think about whats going on. Stop looking at it as JUST Fulcrums & Levers and include the Fascial System.

Fascia Lines are the intersections of the body - The Fascia Guide

The concept of Fascia Lines is a great way to understand how the body functions and how treatment can be optimized to increase mobility and functionality. The main principle is that muscles, no matter what they do individually, also affect tissues throughout the entire body.

fasciaguide.com

 

[BigSkyHi]

Here's a young one we can crucify because he speaks baseball talk.

- Hitting Pop Ups Instead of Line Drives? Try This!

 

[TDS]

Yea, another one who doesn't understand swinging down to from a fyb hitting position.. Swinging down doesn't work when using abaf pattern.

Here's a young one we can crucify because he speaks baseball talk.

- Hitting Pop Ups Instead of Line Drives? Try This!

 

[Mudders Brudder]

Couple little things that need to be factored into anyone's and everyone's theories...

• Muscles pull, they don't push ("concentric contraction")
• In order to have a "Stretch Shorten Cycle" (SSC) - one must have one muscle (or set of muscles) that "shortens", thus "stretching" an opposing muscle (or set of muscles)...for the muscle(s) being "stretched" to then at some point in to time "shorten" again in the "cycle" (stretching their opposing muscle(s) in the process - something to think about when hitters injure certain muscles or muscle groups in their swing...are the injuring them do to too much sudden contraction/shortening, or too much sudden "stretching"/lengthening?).

Simultaneous contraction of opposing muscles (say biceps and triceps) is called an "isometric contraction" (not allowing the muscles to lengthen or shorten), and basically produces very little to really no movement at all.

Same thing applies along other opposing front to back muscle groups. Sorry, not my fault, It's just that darn little inconvenient science thing popping its head in where it don't belong again.

NOTE: The above is said with acknowledgment of "eccentric contractions" as well, but which require an outside force or weight the muscles are working against. A bat is not anywhere near a large enough weight for it to elicit any sort of eccentric contractions within the swing process. The only time eccentric contractions come into play wrt a bat...is possibly when choosing one, and the hitter may find one too heavy if the bat/barrel drops under the hitter's lack of strength ("eccentric contractions") to hold the bat out at arm's length parallel to the ground.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

Here's a young one we can crucify because he speaks baseball talk.

- Hitting Pop Ups Instead of Line Drives? Try This!

Very nice. Gonna have to add this young man's vids to the Antobelli index of vids some kind gentleman from here sent to me a week or so back.

Btw, the shoulder plane deal at toe-touch is an often overlooked, but surprisingly important one when looking at a developing hitter's launch position from which they'll swing from. His first suggestion is just more common sense...that's apparently not so common for some.

 

[BigSkyHi]

Very nice. Gonna have to add this young man's vids to the Antobelli index of vids some kind gentleman from here sent to me a week or so back.

Btw, the shoulder plane deal at toe-touch is an often overlooked, but surprisingly important one when looking at a developing hitter's launch position from which they'll swing from. His first suggestion is just more common sense...that's apparently not so common for some.

Just got started on his sheet. Like how much he puts into the mental side of the game.

 

[julray]

Down to, swinging down IMO is the most understood term on swinging a baseball bat. I don't mind the young mans video, as a matter of fact I've been following him for quite sometime. However just as misleading as when Pujois talks about down to in his video I find all these youtube experts equally as misleading. Every time they demo down to or swinging down they do so with no or poor sequence and posture. When I look at the Pujois video I see an expert showing you what he does with his hands.. isolating a movement. When I see Antonelli or Tewks demoing swinging down.. they do so with the intention of proving the big leaguer is wrong, or they are just talking about feel. They demo it as the path the actual barrel takes in a big league swing.. they stand flat footed with no sequence or posture and chop down.. and for that reason they are way out in left field IMO. I like Antonelli.. I think he's great, love his videos, a little long winded, but I am nitpicking. When we see Yelich demoing down to.. he's also isolating hands.. add in some key components, FYB, posture etc.. his hands does the samething, but now he's doing from a leverage position. Anyway, now I'm being long winded, point is some these hitting gurus are just as, even more misleading then the pros demoing down to.

What I like about the young fella here is he is not trying to prove anybody wrong, he's not talking about doing something funky with your hands, just talking about proper bat path, and even though I haven't watched the entire video, I agree.

 

[BigSkyHi]

Down to, swinging down IMO is the most understood term on swinging a baseball bat. I don't mind the young mans video, as a matter of fact I've been following him for quite sometime. However just as misleading as when Pujois talks about down to in his video I find all these youtube experts equally as misleading. Every time they demo down to or swinging down they do so with no or poor sequence and posture. When I look at the Pujois video I see an expert showing you what he does with his hands.. isolating a movement. When I see Antonelli or Tewks demoing swinging down.. they do so with the intention of proving the big leaguer is wrong, or they are just talking about feel. They demo it as the path the actual barrel takes in a big league swing.. they stand flat footed with no sequence or posture and chop down.. and for that reason they are way out in left field IMO. I like Antonelli.. I think he's great, love his videos, a little long winded, but I am nitpicking. When we see Yelich demoing down to.. he's also isolating hands.. add in some key components, FYB, posture etc.. his hands does the samething, but now he's doing from a leverage position. Anyway, now I'm being long winded, point is some these hitting gurus are just as, even more misleading then the pros demoing down to.

What I like about the young fella here is he is not trying to prove anybody wrong, he's not talking about doing something funky with your hands, just talking about proper bat path, and even though I haven't watched the entire video, I agree.

A couple questions for you. What is the main thing all of them are wrong about? Have you ever communicated with them about your observations?

- Mike Trout Says To Swing Down...Should You?

 

[julray]

A couple questions for you. What is the main thing all of them are wrong about? Have you ever communicated with them about your observations?
- Mike Trout Says To Swing Down...Should You?

That's 3 questions, I'm charging for the extra one..

1. They are not wrong
2. Of course not.. and why do I need to?
3. Yes you should

IMO you are falling into the same trap.. Trout demos "down to". Is he in a FYB position with good posture while doing so? No. Does any of his body movements, legs, core etc look to same to you in his demo vs game swing? No. We have posters on here who tried to demo down to with a HL swing movement.. they couldn't do it. They ended up being AFAB, or 0 posture.. guess what happened when they added in the proper sequence and good posture with the same down to motion? HL swing, proper barrel path with the same hand action. My advice, because this was a game changer for me as well.. pick up a bat, learn good FYB and posture, copy what Trout is doing in his demo. What's the result? I am sorry, I am not saying you need my advice, but just in the context of this discussion

 

[TDS]

Down to, swinging down IMO is the most understood term on swinging a baseball bat. I don't mind the young mans video, as a matter of fact I've been following him for quite sometime. However just as misleading as when Pujois talks about down to in his video I find all these youtube experts equally as misleading. Every time they demo down to or swinging down they do so with no or poor sequence and posture. When I look at the Pujois video I see an expert showing you what he does with his hands.. isolating a movement. When I see Antonelli or Tewks demoing swinging down.. they do so with the intention of proving the big leaguer is wrong, or they are just talking about feel. They demo it as the path the actual barrel takes in a big league swing.. they stand flat footed with no sequence or posture and chop down.. and for that reason they are way out in left field IMO. I like Antonelli.. I think he's great, love his videos, a little long winded, but I am nitpicking. When we see Yelich demoing down to.. he's also isolating hands.. add in some key components, FYB, posture etc.. his hands does the samething, but now he's doing from a leverage position. Anyway, now I'm being long winded, point is some these hitting gurus are just as, even more misleading then the pros demoing down to.

What I like about the young fella here is he is not trying to prove anybody wrong, he's not talking about doing something funky with your hands, just talking about proper bat path, and even though I haven't watched the entire video, I agree.

Julray, in there defense I don't believe they ever figured out on there own or were never taught the fyb leveraged position... So they are a little angry that there careers were shortened.