Lock it in drill

[BoardMember]

I don't have any doubt you tried this Gertrude. However, this part of the discussion is about "high lever pitchers, and high level pitching coaches" using this method.

Bill's thrown a few high level games. Maybe he can tell us how often he twists the ball inside out on purpose on the way up the circle to unlock his elbow, I.E. thumb down/elbow up. Or how often he'd teach his female students to do it.

Maybe we can ask Mr. Balswick how often he used the "inside-out" ball location on the way up the circle, or how often he teaches it.

Sorry, it's just ridiculous.

I'm going to try to add something constructive here without throwing gas on this fire...

I personally had issues with the arm locking out at 9 o'clock.... didn't matter how many lock it in drills, gravity drills, show it drills... when I went full speed it locked out. Too many years of HE, I guess. So I started playing with the orientation of the ball through the circle. Here's what I've found. FOR ME, when I think about orienting the ball to the outside coming up the circle from 6 through 12, it allows me to supinate the hand between 12 and 9, encouraging scap load as a side effect, and keeps that bend in the arm at 9 o'clock, thereby allowing whip and pronation. YMMV.

 

[Hillhouse]

The reason I never pitched above A was because no one could catch me at 136 MPH...……

Oh? I thought it was learning to pitch from drills?? ha ha ha ha. Kidding, love ya BM.

 

[Hillhouse]

Funny. The best move I saw him make was in bowling. A 4/10 split blind-folded between the legs.

He was a fantastic golfer too. And, probably the biggest lush I've ever known.. the guy could drink for days and it seemed like he could still drive a car. It had no effect. Simply incredible to see.

Funny story, Eddie and his wife (Ann Marie) would call me about every 6 months to chit chat, talk softball, pitching, etc. I told him I was about to film a new video in the next couple of days, to which he said that was great, yadda yadda yadda. We talked about it, what I was gonna do, say in the video, and all that jazz. He called me 2 days later with a special offer... if I wanted, I could wear his King and His Court jersey during filming. I had been asked to pitch for him a few times but it had never worked out schedule wise, so I didn't have my own Court jersey. But, I politely declined his offer. When I hung up I began thinking to myself, that clever guy just tried to get me to advertise for him!! That was Eddie at his best.

 

[Hillhouse]

I don't have any doubt you tried this Gertrude. However, this part of the discussion is about "high lever pitchers, and high level pitching coaches" using this method.

Bill's thrown a few high level games. Maybe he can tell us how often he twists the ball inside out on purpose on the way up the circle to unlock his elbow, I.E. thumb down/elbow up. Or how often he'd teach his female students to do it.

Maybe we can ask Mr. Balswick how often he used the "inside-out" ball location on the way up the circle, or how often he teaches it.

Sorry, it's just ridiculous.

I will have to go back through and read this more closely because I'm not sure I understand what people are saying. Are we talking about pointing the ball towards third base?

 

[BigSkyHi]

I will have to go back through and read this more closely because I'm not sure I understand what people are saying. Are we talking about pointing the ball towards third base?

We've been discussing the action of the throwing hand getting to the 9:00 Drill with the elbow unlocked.

- Cat Osterman
- Monica Abbott
- Yukiko Ueno

 

[sluggers]

@Hillhouse go to 1:55... something about pointing tha ball toward 3rd at 12 in order to to unlock the elbow...

- Larry Wendel Pitching Basics for Beginners

 

[BoardMember]

Actually Sky claimed that turning the ball outward toward 3rd around nose level on the way up the front the circle was something MANY MANY high level pitchers and pitching coaches do to "unlock the elbow", including Feigner. So I posted a clip proving that Feigner was just the opposite, bringing the ball up facing INWARD not OUTWARD to the top, with the ball facing forward not outward behind his head at 12:00.




Here is the reference still from Larry Wendell's video above explaining how it should be done, I.E. turning the ball outward on the way up the circle to "unlock the elbow":



I told him the ball might turn out to a lessor or greater degree as the ball passed over the top to relieve shoulder pressure and allow the ball to continue around the circle, and because the pitchers shoulders were also turning toward 3rd. When I asked Sky to name one high level pitching coach who advocated turning the ball inside-out on the way up the circle he cordially ended the conversation.

 

[Fluid Fastpitch]

Serious question, not snark:
We're in the Lock it in drill thread. Does it really matter how you get to that position so long as it's not ridiculously abnormal?

 

[Powerof9]

The place to start:

I/R in the Classroom

I've received so many PM's and Emails about I/R I've decided to speak more about training Internal Rotation, and the progression we use to build a foundation for the underhand throw. First of all, we all know that grip, stance, posture, wind-up/load and leg drive all contribute to pitching a...

www.discussfastpitch.com

 

[BigSkyHi]

The place to start:

I/R in the Classroom

I've received so many PM's and Emails about I/R I've decided to speak more about training Internal Rotation, and the progression we use to build a foundation for the underhand throw. First of all, we all know that grip, stance, posture, wind-up/load and leg drive all contribute to pitching a...

www.discussfastpitch.com

Great stuff from the boardmember. Been there twice so far. Two statements really stood out for me.

Train them from WHERE THEY ARE.........NOT WHERE YOU WANT THEM TO BE.......

If I can teach a young lady/man to "throw" a softball correctly and efficiently, and literally "play catch throwing underhand" as naturally as they would overhand, my job becomes so much easier when it comes to adding "style"