My understanding of the Tincher certification, and others like it, is that is is essentially a group of teachers who all agree on certain fundamental philosophies. Think really broad terms here. Not specific movements per se'. And they don't necessarily use a corporate issued handbook to teach the philosophy. They all take different roads to get to hopefully the same place. And that means that you will find some that teach no backswing and some that do since the backswing is not really a fundamental philosophy in the Tincher realm. I have seen one Tincher instructor say to not slap the leg with the glove hand because that causes the sub-conscious effect of flinching and/or tightening up (because your brain knows that some slight pain will follow shortly thereafter) at the time of the release while another Tincher instructor could not have cared less about it.
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Yes you are probably the only one who doesn't know who they are
.Austin Wasserman has become one of the leading people behind proper overhand throwing mechanics which the softball world has desperately needed. https://www.highlevelthrowing.com/austin/
The Footdoctor, Esia Riveria, is a movement specialist who has jumped into the softball world especially pitching and is trying to crossover his knowledge of movement into bettering pitching movements. Where some (or a lot) of instructors might argue against some of the movements. Especially this drill (which I've seen also performed with a ball) at 48 seconds.
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Yes you are probably the only one who doesn't know who they are
Austin Wasserman has become one of the leading people behind proper overhand throwing mechanics which the softball world has desperately needed. https://www.highlevelthrowing.com/austin/
The Footdoctor, Esia Riveria, is a movement specialist who has jumped into the softball world especially pitching and is trying to crossover his knowledge of movement into bettering pitching movements. Where some (or a lot) of instructors might argue against some of the movements. Especially this drill (which I've seen also performed with a ball) at 48 seconds.
Learn something new everyday. Thank you!
...and their retaliation pitch would be a McRibs...if McDonalds had pitching lessons would they be
'McPitchers'...lol
'McPitchers'...lol
Here comes my McChangeUp
Since McDonald's was mentioned, it's not necessarily true that franchisees can't put their own menu items on. Or at least it hasn't always been true. A franchisee invented the Big Mac.
For the most part, the Tincher program seems to be locked behind a firewall. It is difficult to know exactly what the core philosophy is because they tend to be pretty tight-lipped about it. Although it is interesting that they are sharing more drills, like them or not. The things I've seen will tell you what should happen (in general terms) but not necessarily how to make them happen. For that, you need to pony up.
For the most part, the Tincher program seems to be locked behind a firewall. It is difficult to know exactly what the core philosophy is because they tend to be pretty tight-lipped about it. Although it is interesting that they are sharing more drills, like them or not. The things I've seen will tell you what should happen (in general terms) but not necessarily how to make them happen. For that, you need to pony up.
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I didn't know that about the Big Mac Ken, that's interesting. I do know that McDonalds does things regionally in many cases, I remember pitching in Prince Edward Island Canada long ago and there was a McLobster sandwich. No, I'm not making that up.
And you're right about what seems to be secrecy from that program. That's probably why I have so many questions about it. I don't know Mr. Tincher, never spoken with him, never corresponded with him. All of my info about him comes from the questions I've asked. I wish he was a little more open about things, it would make it easier to recommend a "Tincher coach" to someone who asks about where to take their kid. We all know Mr. Tincher didn't invent pitching so I'm not sure what all the secrets are for. I know his daughter was a good pitcher (Probably deserved to be on the 2000 Olympic team) but did she pitch the way her father teaches or not? I know of another Olympic pitcher who's father is an "expert" but she doesn't pitch anything like he teaches (or the way she teaches for that matter).
Tincher did not invent pitching and I don't think he ever claimed to do so.
My journey to finding my dd's PC coach took me through 3 HE coaches. I did not know the difference when I choose her first coach. Shame on me for going to the second without asking. But she was so highly regarded as I thought of course she teaches correctly. I knew within moments she taught HE. uhhhhggg. I then spoke to several Coaches on the phone where I got, "I get girls to college." or "Why would you want to pitch that way?" I finally found one that verbally confirmed and through shared video, that she teaches "palm up". The first thing she does is put my DD in a palm down, T turned totally sideways. sighhhh.
While once waiting for my DDs lesson, I watched the another PC try and remove all IR from her student. i later found out parents get excited when they are able to 'get in' with that PC.
So, when I finally got to a tincher at a minimum I knew that the basic core 'absolutes' talked about on this site would be taught. I was lucky, my dd was 9 and only at it for less than a year.
I know two tincher coaches. In both cases, they have a mixture of back swing and no back swing students. As has been mentioned here, 'pre-motion' is not an absolute. My dd jus had her back swing removed. She starts in the basketball triple threat position and goes right out of the glove.
If you've never spoken with Denny or one of his coaches to asked them any questions, why the assumption that there are secrets? Because a few of his certified coaches don't allow video of lessons? Other instructors do allow video. Or because parents like myself don't know the answers? shirt, I've only spoken to Denny once when I first starting looking for a PC. I can't answer any questions about his relationship with my DD's PC because I've never asked either one.
I can tell you that my DD's PC grew up HE and out of college taught HE. She is no longer HE when she demonstrates for my DD.
MY ASSUMPTIONS
My journey to finding my dd's PC coach took me through 3 HE coaches. I did not know the difference when I choose her first coach. Shame on me for going to the second without asking. But she was so highly regarded as I thought of course she teaches correctly. I knew within moments she taught HE. uhhhhggg. I then spoke to several Coaches on the phone where I got, "I get girls to college." or "Why would you want to pitch that way?" I finally found one that verbally confirmed and through shared video, that she teaches "palm up". The first thing she does is put my DD in a palm down, T turned totally sideways. sighhhh.
While once waiting for my DDs lesson, I watched the another PC try and remove all IR from her student. i later found out parents get excited when they are able to 'get in' with that PC.
So, when I finally got to a tincher at a minimum I knew that the basic core 'absolutes' talked about on this site would be taught. I was lucky, my dd was 9 and only at it for less than a year.
I know two tincher coaches. In both cases, they have a mixture of back swing and no back swing students. As has been mentioned here, 'pre-motion' is not an absolute. My dd jus had her back swing removed. She starts in the basketball triple threat position and goes right out of the glove.
If you've never spoken with Denny or one of his coaches to asked them any questions, why the assumption that there are secrets? Because a few of his certified coaches don't allow video of lessons? Other instructors do allow video. Or because parents like myself don't know the answers? shirt, I've only spoken to Denny once when I first starting looking for a PC. I can't answer any questions about his relationship with my DD's PC because I've never asked either one.
I can tell you that my DD's PC grew up HE and out of college taught HE. She is no longer HE when she demonstrates for my DD.
MY ASSUMPTIONS
- Denny had to spend a lot of time "re-teaching" her to pitch, ensuring that she can correctly demonstrate. I assume this is a requirement
- He had to spend a lo of time organizing the information on how to "train the trainer". What to look out for, which drills to use in which situation. etc....
- Then on top of organizing and arranging all of the information, he needs to make sure that each of his Instructors understands it all and can incorporate it in. I am sure that for a lot of new PC this takes a fair amount of time.
- It seems he has created a feedback loop when all the certified instructors can share and learn from each other as well. Even if the loop might be through him. I don't know.
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Why assume there are secrets? I'm just going on what others have said and suggested.
I guess my question would be, why have a certification program if the coaches have carte blanc to teach their own things?
And I never said Mr. Tincher claimed to have invented pitching. But, when you hear over and over about a "Tincher coach" it does lead people to think he has invented or revolutionized something. Obviously people on this forum know better, but John Q Public may not know that. That's all.
Listen, I'll say it clearly here... any coach that isn't teaching HE is better than any coach that is teaching it. I'd have my kid take lessons from Casey Anthony before I'd let my kid near a HE coach.
We really like our Tincher coach. Like cnardone, we knew going to Tincher there was emphasis on IR and proper mechanics. You really don't know with many non-Tincher instructors until you have a few lessons under your belt. And that can be a waste of time and money.
Our instructor pitched in college, got certified with Tincher. And she follows much of his guidance, but of course has her own style and experience. We can video lessons all we want. I don't think there are secrets, I just think a lot of us parents don't know answers to a lot of things people ask us about the Tincher Method.
I'm glad Tincher exists as it resulted in us finding an instructor we trust and like who has improved my DD's pitching tremendously.
Our instructor pitched in college, got certified with Tincher. And she follows much of his guidance, but of course has her own style and experience. We can video lessons all we want. I don't think there are secrets, I just think a lot of us parents don't know answers to a lot of things people ask us about the Tincher Method.
I'm glad Tincher exists as it resulted in us finding an instructor we trust and like who has improved my DD's pitching tremendously.
