New IR drill

[Hillhouse]

The coach who originally came up with the drill it looks like is the development specialist for Tincher, so I’m guessing she also works for him and gets paid in that capacity. For most companies. anything you invent is not yours.

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Ok, for the "development specialist" I can see that. But if you are John Q pitching coach who is "Tincher certified", then technically you are paying Mr. Tincher, not the other way around. Would you still be considered an employee if you are paying him??

 

[NJSwampdragons]

Ok, for the "development specialist" I can see that. But if you are John Q pitching coach who is "Tincher certified", then technically you are paying Mr. Tincher, not the other way around. Would you still be considered an employee if you are paying him??

It probably depends on the legal structure. They could be franchisees, who have to follow strict rules and are still governed by the main entity. So if you owned a McDonald’s you own it, but you would not be allowed to create your own menu item and just start selling it without corporate approval, and if you did create a menu item, I’m guessing McDonald’s would own it under the franchise agreement. And as with any franchise, it’s not in perpetuity if you don’t follow the rules or hit certain goals it can be terminated.

 

[radness]

Ok, for the "development specialist" I can see that. But if you are John Q pitching coach who is "Tincher certified", then technically you are paying Mr. Tincher, not the other way around. Would you still be considered an employee if you are paying him??

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So people pay to get tincher certified. Got that part.
Do they keep paying a portion of their lesson fee's back to tincher program?

 

[Towny9]

My DD had been going to a Tincher instructor for a little over a year. I don’t really care about the “Tincher” part - I always saw that as marketing. We go to him because she enjoys the lessons and she has steadily shown improvement. When I was researching instructors I liked that he didn’t do wrist flicks or HE. Other than the Tincher headband he gave her, that’s been the only mention of Tincher. I know he attends clinics and studies that Denny is a part of (partnering with Wasserman is the newest twist) - I like that he continuous to adapt and improve his instruction. I also like that we have 2 other girls who go to him and they all pitch a little different. For example, They backswing and my daughter comes out of the glove - no cookie cutting.

of course, this is all just my experience with one PC.

 

[Hillhouse]

My DD had been going to a Tincher instructor for a little over a year. I don’t really care about the “Tincher” part - I always saw that as marketing. We go to him because she enjoys the lessons and she has steadily shown improvement. When I was researching instructors I liked that he didn’t do wrist flicks or HE. Other than the Tincher headband he gave her, that’s been the only mention of Tincher. I know he attends clinics and studies that Denny is a part of (partnering with Wasserman is the newest twist) - I like that he continuous to adapt and improve his instruction. I also like that we have 2 other girls who go to him and they all pitch a little different. For example, They backswing and my daughter comes out of the glove - no cookie cutting.

of course, this is all just my experience with one PC.

Am I the only one who doesn't know who this "Wasserman" is? Or the "footdoctor"? Is Footdoctor a real name or is that something else? I truly don't know, I'm not trying to be funny.

Towny9, you mentioned "they backswing" is that what's being taught? If so, they are cookie cuttering. And it would be pitching malpractice to not explain both sides of the backswing debate, including the 4 main reasons not to do it which have been mentioned many times here. To just allow a pitcher do whatever they want, without explaining the pros and cons to what they are doing isn't exactly ideal. I like to think I don't cookie cutter either, but I do explain what I did and why I did it that way. Along with the ramifications of not doing certain things vs. doing certain things. And I can PROMISE you, there isn't a pitching 'style' that is out there that I haven't personally tried for extended periods of time when I was a kid, always trying to be a better pitcher.

 

[Towny9]

Am I the only one who doesn't know who this "Wasserman" is? Or the "footdoctor"? Is Footdoctor a real name or is that something else? I truly don't know, I'm not trying to be funny.

Towny9, you mentioned "they backswing" is that what's being taught? If so, they are cookie cuttering. And it would be pitching malpractice to not explain both sides of the backswing debate, including the 4 main reasons not to do it which have been mentioned many times here. To just allow a pitcher do whatever they want, without explaining the pros and cons to what they are doing isn't exactly ideal. I like to think I don't cookie cutter either, but I do explain what I did and why I did it that way. Along with the ramifications of not doing certain things vs. doing certain things. And I can PROMISE you, there isn't a pitching 'style' that is out there that I haven't personally tried for extended periods of time when I was a kid, always trying to be a better pitcher.

The 2 other girls tried not back swinging and one of them was a hot mess because she struggled with finding a rhythm without it. The other settled on a very minimal one and she covers the ball with her glove (as best she can). I am 100% with you on the reasons to not backswing. In fact, you are probably the #1 reason my daughter doesn’t have one. She thinks it’s cool to hide the ball from the batter. In fact, she asked Santa for a closed web pitching glove so she can hide it even better.

The point in my post was just to say that “Tincher Instructors” are only as good or bad as the individual doing the instruction. Most were probably already teaching pitching before they went to get “certified”. Someone else made the McDonald’s franchise reference. While all the McDonald’s menus are the same, everyone knows their are better locations than others. I would imagine Tincher instructors are no different.

 

[Hillhouse]

It probably depends on the legal structure. They could be franchisees, who have to follow strict rules and are still governed by the main entity. So if you owned a McDonald’s you own it, but you would not be allowed to create your own menu item and just start selling it without corporate approval, and if you did create a menu item, I’m guessing McDonald’s would own it under the franchise agreement. And as with any franchise, it’s not in perpetuity if you don’t follow the rules or hit certain goals it can be terminated.

That's an interesting analogy. Here's the problem with what you said, wouldn't you say these "certified instructors" are doing the very thing you said they can't in the McDonalds analogy? You said a franchise isn't allowed to create their own menu, yet if these coaches are creating their own drills they are doing that very thing. Or am I missing something?

 

[Hillhouse]

The 2 other girls tried not back swinging and one of them was a hot mess because she struggled with finding a rhythm without it. The other settled on a very minimal one and she covers the ball with her glove (as best she can). I am 100% with you on the reasons to not backswing. In fact, you are probably the #1 reason my daughter doesn’t have one. She thinks it’s cool to hide the ball from the batter. In fact, she asked Santa for a closed web pitching glove so she can hide it even better.

The point in my post was just to say that “Tincher Instructors” are only as good or bad as the individual doing the instruction. Most were probably already teaching pitching before they went to get “certified”. Someone else made the McDonald’s franchise reference. While all the McDonald’s menus are the same, everyone knows their are better locations than others. I would imagine Tincher instructors are no different.

Could not agree more. Any coach is only as good as the information and way they share it.

I'm really glad your girls are working things out for themselves. That's fantastic.

 

[NJSwampdragons]

That's an interesting analogy. Here's the problem with what you said, wouldn't you say these "certified instructors" are doing the very thing you said they can't in the McDonalds analogy? You said a franchise isn't allowed to create their own menu, yet if these coaches are creating their own drills they are doing that very thing. Or am I missing something?

But that drill was created by the Tincher development specialist, thus technically it was created by "corporate."

 

[radness]

if McDonalds had pitching lessons would they be
'McPitchers'...lol