Hip/Shoulder Separation

[TDS]

Think of the initial stretch (load) as posterior stretch and the release (core stretch) as anterior stretch in the s-plane. Rotation is the result. If there is no anterior vertical stretch then the core isn’t optimized. The obliques work vertically and horizontally.

if two legs aren’t used the vertical force component isn’t used. Much less force is applied.

Most good swings the hips will drop a bit.

Yep, you end up bypassing the "down to"

 

[TDS]

It’s called holding the stretch while adjusting the swing. It’s called technique.

None of those guys are holding the stretch.. The stretch is dynamic (sagittal plane) while falling into the legs..

Rich on the other hand holds his stretch (frontal plane) against his riding the rear leg.

 

[Work=wins]

Here’s a comp for whoever is interested in this stuff. Different locations. These are all from 15ft underhand, walking up, in mixed locations, as hard as I can to force dynamics, but also to make sure of no cheating or sitting on spots. Gotta adjust.

 

[Marcus]

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someone mentioned(CB I think), that ‘teaching load mechanics is a problem’, or something like that. I agree.

The issue with teaching 'load mechanics' is that most people don't understand what 'loading' in the swing is.

Proper loading is nothing more than the stretching that takes place after slack removal. It takes place around/against the rear hip socket, the lower rear back, the upper back and for some the rear scap. Knowing when the loading process takes place in the swing is also something many fail to not teach properly.

The attitude of 'loading should occur naturally, and if not, then find another sport', is a cop out. Loading should be understood and if it is not natural for a hitter, then knowledgeable instruction should be offered.

 

[Work=wins]

The issue with teaching 'load mechanics' is that most people don't understand what 'loading' in the swing is.

Proper loading is nothing more than the stretching that takes place after slack removal. It takes place around/against the rear hip socket, the lower rear back, the upper back and for some the rear scap. Knowing when the loading process takes place in the swing is also something many fail to not teach properly.

The attitude of 'loading should occur naturally, and if not, then find another sport', is a cop out. Loading should be understood and if it is not natural for a hitter, then knowledgeable instruction should be offered.

I agree w ‘loading should occur naturally’. So that would mean.. it’s shouldn’t be taught. What was meant by this is the body parts will load by themselves if in sequence and balance.

I believe the spine is the axis for rotation so the back leg/hip socket stuff doesn’t agree w my outlook. Folks get stuck or fly out of balance when trying to load body parts like the back hip/leg.

 

[Work=wins]

Thoughts on this swing with respect to anything discussed in this thread:

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i think he’s dynamic late. Which will leave some power and adjustability on the table. I do think there is a lot to like in his swing.

jmho.

 

[Shawn]

Here’s a comp for whoever is interested in this stuff. Different locations. These are all from 15ft underhand, walking up, in mixed locations, as hard as I can to force dynamics, but also to make sure of no cheating or sitting on spots. Gotta adjust.

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Without looking at the swings in frame by frame. It looks like she is shifting and then swinging. Gets into both legs before swinging. The lowerbody is late because she shift in then swings, there is a timing issue.

 

[Cornbread]

Stop teaching load mechanics. You’ll thank me later.

 

[Work=wins]

Without looking at the swings in frame by frame. It looks like she is shifting and then swinging. Gets into both legs before swinging. The lowerbody is late because she shift in then swings, there is a timing issue.

yes! You are correct! She shifts her weight, THEN swings. The lower body is actually very early (first) though. When the core lengthens(seen more w off speed and outside pitches) she is leveraging her legs against the obliques. Most do this very late(after foot down) if at all.
It makes all the difference. Her timing window widens substantially. There is an ability to adjust out front.

 

[TDS]

Without looking at the swings in frame by frame. It looks like she is shifting and then swinging. Gets into both legs before swinging. The lowerbody is late because she shift in then swings, there is a timing issue.

Yep just like 2 of the best players who have ever played !! Its called leverage apparently something you have never felt.