Playing dirty? Totally fair?

[Westwind]

I agree with MTR that thug players are rare but are out there. One of my dd's played against a thug throughout her school sports career.

I saw her intentionally injure two girls badly enough they had to get immediate medical care. One was a concussion in a sb game, the other was a flagrant elbow to mouth of a girl from another town in a bb game. Didn't even try to act like it wasn't intentional and smiled after.

I saw her pull something dirty almost every time she played. It was her father who taught her to behave like that but make no mistake, she was built for it. Remorseless, no empathy whatsoever.

My dd was always careful about her, she never got a shot in at dd that I remember.

 

[djcarter1966]

1. Unfortunately, there are thugs/bullies at the age of 10 and more often than not it is a reflection of the adults with the most influence. Not a whole lot of them, but they are there.
2. If a runner has time to raise their arms for protection, they had time to check up, so these collisions noted on this thread were not accidental.
3. If an umpire wants to keep control of the game and set an example of what will not be tolerated, that player has to go regardless of the age or result of the collision.

So your solution is to teach girls that if someone is standing between you and the base to CHECK UP....well you can toss my players out and send me to the parking lot but the is not how the game is played. As posted earlier the correct way to teach base running is that girls need to take a direct path to the base and NOT avoid contact...this ain't an obstacle course. and to [MENTION=2269]rdbass[/MENTION] the reason the player rounds the base in an arc is two fold 1. it puts you on a straighter path to second 2. if she truly hit the bag the way she should have been taught inside corner she would have stepped on the 1B foot since that is where she was standing.

I'm not saying all parties are innocent here or even that I would teach this but this whole situation stems from the first baseman not knowing where and how to play her position. If its in the infield step up, if you really think there is a play from RF position yourself on the outfield side probably far corner and stretch giving the runner the inside of the bag.

On a routine play yes the coach is a jerk for sending her to second but don't blame the player. I still don't understand why we did not have 20 pages when the Auburn player plowed into someone and got this exact same call, everyone just chalked it up to yeah a little cheap shot but the 1B should know better.

 

[grcsftbll]

The difference is likely college versus 10U. 1B wasn't even close to blocking the path to first base and if the kid hadn't been planning to run her over, she'd have run through the bag given where the hit landed.

 

[CoogansBluff]

this whole situation stems from the first baseman not knowing where and how to play her position.

Not sure why we're caught up on that.

If you get lost and ask for directions in a bad neighborhood and get mugged, does that mitigate what the mugger did? Because you didn't do a good job of following directions? Isn't that blaming the victim?

 

[djcarter1966]

Not sure why we're caught up on that.

If you get lost and ask for directions in a bad neighborhood and get mugged, does that mitigate what the mugger did? Because you didn't do a good job of following directions? Isn't that blaming the victim?

Nobody got mugged...you got lost and went down a one way street and got bumped by a car traveling in the correct direction, don't blame the person going that right way even if they were going 5 mph over the speed limit!!!!

and lets don't do analogies cause they all break down eventually

 

[riseball]

Nobody got mugged...you got lost and went down a one way street and got bumped by a car traveling in the correct direction, don't blame the person going that right way even if they were going 5 mph over the speed limit!!!!

and lets don't do analogies cause they all break down eventually

To complete your analogy lets make it clear that the driver of said car upon seeing you in the street never once tapped the brakes and then accelerated away from the scene. I believe it is called a hit and run and typically not condoned by reasonable people.

 

[GunnerShotgun]

I'm not saying all parties are innocent here or even that I would teach this but this whole situation stems from the first baseman not knowing where and how to play her position.

Imagine that ball was hit to SS and she bobbled it three times before making the throw. The throw is late but not super late. Would you tell your runner to hit the inside of the bag and plow the 1B?

Of course not because the runner would be be out via a subsequent rundown or thrown out of the game.

The first base coach is a moron; end of story.

 

[soonerfan1966]

but it wasn't hit to ss it was hit to right field.

 

[GunnerShotgun]

but it wasn't hit to ss it was hit to right field.

And the RF made the throw to 1B. The coach should have told the runner to run through the base.

Coach and runner should have been ejected.

 

[djcarter1966]

Imagine that ball was hit to SS and she bobbled it three times before making the throw. The throw is late but not super late. Would you tell your runner to hit the inside of the bag and plow the 1B?

Of course not because the runner would be be out via a subsequent rundown or thrown out of the game.

The first base coach is a moron; end of story.

100% agree