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In his 2013 swing it looks like his hips shift forward but he leaves upper (middle?) behind some whereas in the 2014 swing they move together better..
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Yes that is what I said, it's missing. But just because other components are missing, doesn't mean what's isolated is wrong as per your Jennie Finch analogy.
fanboi22
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i see that and agree thanks for pointing that out.In his 2013 swing it looks like his hips shift forward but he leaves upper (middle?) behind some whereas in the 2014 swing they move together better..
A lot more stretch and FYB in 2014 IMO... but one of the biggest things I see that affects barrel path between the two is posture. In 2014 JD has much better posture, providing space for the hands to come down and through the ball. I see the hands doing the same thing in both, just on a different plane
fanboi22
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But said the way that Jennie does doesn't allow for anything else to happen correctly....mostly. The demo of 'swing down to' which i feel the pros actually think you do, stops the progress to get to the 'true' swing. Just ask tewks. I don't know his whole history, but when you work at trying to hit over a high back tee to get that down to direction, that is hurting and you can never get to a good path if that is the first thing you are trying to do. So to me, taking that literally w/o all the other stuff is bad. If we are intended to not take it literally, then say so. This is literally NOT what i am doing......but this is what it 'feels' like i am doing. I haven't heard anyone say that except maybe Bregman who says his shoulders and hips stay forward - he knows that's not right' but thats what he has to think about. All the other demos in question are showing people actually thinking that is what they are doing. Just my opinion, and probably starting it all over again. Not sure why the pros don't then say ' i am isolating this'. Doesn't matter to me, but i feel that we should also understand that the best in the world pitching have taught the absolute wrong thing in regards to arm path. Why isn't this the same when talking bat path? It's just a possibility and just because a pro says it doesn't mean its right. Look at all the hitting wars that have gone on for so long, and no one has ever figured it out? no one is right but no one is wrong.
It has taken me years to try and get my understanding better so i can help DD. I enjoy the forums, but all the Dogma's got me dogged.
That's nice, but it's misleading. Most pros think this is the way they actually swing in a game. Ted knew what he actually did. The rest have no clue.
Tewks was ABAF.. This creates to steep of barrel path for "down to". Same with the young girls practice swing.. Not saying Tewks was ever taught fyb shift then swing but swinging "down to" isn't compatible with this pattern (swing is the shift )..
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fanboi22
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quote from Tewks on his Tewks Hitting website:
'It is pretty scary when you think about it. I was a Division I college baseball player who was a Freshman All-American and Conference Player of the Year. I was a professional baseball player. And I didn’t really understand my best swings or swing mechanics in general. I just worked my tail off and relied mostly on hand eye coordination and feel. But I could never repeat those swings. What I know now is my hard work was pretty much preventing those great swings from happening.
And I’ve found this experience to be consistent with most players and coaches I speak with. They truly don’t understand the swing and the different ways the bat can be swung. And they work against themselves because they don’t know what to work on. What a waste.'
'It is pretty scary when you think about it. I was a Division I college baseball player who was a Freshman All-American and Conference Player of the Year. I was a professional baseball player. And I didn’t really understand my best swings or swing mechanics in general. I just worked my tail off and relied mostly on hand eye coordination and feel. But I could never repeat those swings. What I know now is my hard work was pretty much preventing those great swings from happening.
And I’ve found this experience to be consistent with most players and coaches I speak with. They truly don’t understand the swing and the different ways the bat can be swung. And they work against themselves because they don’t know what to work on. What a waste.'
Like I said many times, it can be misleading. With that being said, it's easy for me to see that what they are demoing is an isolated movement. JMHO. And I see that movement in their swing... they focus on hands, and yes I agree it looks confusing with the components missing. Why don't they talk about everything else... I'm not sure. But they always always talk about taking their hands direct to the ball... it's obviously very important to them and they probably understand that's where hitters get tripped up which is why they focus on it.
are you talking about dynamic posture? Slack removal maybe? Is that part of your definition of posture?
