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barrel/hand pivot point, a.k.a TTB

Jul 29, 2013
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When TM is saying swing down he is saying the barrel is accelerated downward first which to a hitter is going to feel like swinging down. Some will disagree about the manner that it is accelerated downward, but the fact remains it is accelerated downward first before moving up through the ball. Most everybody here knows what a good barrel path looks like...
Early barrel acceleration /actively torquing the handle are both ways to create elite bat speed. That was my point about wrapping the bat. It may seem counterintuitive but I believe wrapping allows more torque and greater barrel acceleration. The opposite extreme would be starting with the bat rotated closer to the zone, nearly over the plate, being very short to the ball and trying to create bat speed. So wouldn't a longer path allows for more barrel acceleration?

Since the barrel starts high, swinging it downward is the only way to get it to the strike zone.
If the yahoo's here were really meaning that aspect of swinging down, then they're just stirring shit. I repeatedly asked if they were promoting a negative atrack angle and the only answer I got was "the pros say it, so its the truth."
Do the pros mean swinging down to get to the zone or swinging down to the ball?
Agreed "most everybody knows....." but some would rather argue against reality.

P.S. I really liked your batting machine post. I was particularly interested in the way its bat rotated around its "hands." Where'd you find the video?
 
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Early barrel acceleration /actively torquing the handle are both ways to create elite bat speed. That was what my point about wrapping the bat. It may seam counterintuitive but I believe wrapping allows more torque and greater barrel acceleration. The opposite extreme would be starting with the bat rotated closer to the zone, nearly over the plate, being very short to the ball and trying to create bat speed. So wouldn't a longer path allows for more barrel acceleration?
IMO, and I have stated this a number of times on here, there is nothing wrong with longer in space. I do think longer in time (e.g. longer time to contact) is an issue.
Since the barrel starts high, swinging it downward is the only way to get it to the strike zone.
If the yahoo's here were really meaning that aspect of swinging down, then they're just stirring shit. I repeatedly asked if they were promoting a negative atrack angle and the only answer I got was "the pros say it, so its the truth."
Do the pros mean swinging down to get to the zone or swinging down to the ball?
In most swings the hands will go down some, right


and in all swings the barrel is accelerated downward initially.

Now the question is are the hands only actively moving down to the ball (which is what the pros show and which most hands to ball demos look like) or being pulled by the core or a combination of both along with the question of whether the torque applied to the handle (which is causing the barrel to be down to and up through) is a reaction (to the pulling core) or a combination of reaction and active (the "snap it" mentality).
P.S. I really liked your batting machine post. I was particularly interested in the way its bat rotated around its "hands." Where'd you find the video?
I saw it on twitter a while back and then just searched for it the other day.
 
May 12, 2016
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I repeatedly asked if they were promoting a negative atrack angle and the only answer I got was "the pros say it, so its the truth."
Do the pros mean swinging down to get to the zone or swinging down to the ball?
Agreed "most everybody knows....." but some would rather argue against reality.
If you didn't think yourself such a superstar you would of learned a long time ago that when combining what the pros say, demo, practice hand path(down to) with the entire swing does not result in the ridiculous chopping motion that you have engraved in your brain. FYB sequence, tilt and maintaining posture with a down to approach results in the best swings you see in the game today. The shortcut method of TTB (turn the barrel rearward) is not what the pros do.. they rely on the overall process to get the barrel on plane early and stay on plane through the zone. This results in an effortless, dynamic and smooth swing. There are few exceptions, but they are outliers. Many on here have tried to explain to you over and over again, but you don't seem to understand the concept of FYB, tilt and posture and how it contributes to the swing.. if you did, you wouldn't be talking about negative attack angles.
 
Jul 29, 2013
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If you didn't think yourself such a superstar you would of learned a long time ago that when combining what the pros say, demo, practice hand path(down to) with the entire swing does not result in the ridiculous chopping motion that you have engraved in your brain. FYB sequence, tilt and maintaining posture with a down to approach results in the best swings you see in the game today. The shortcut method of TTB (turn the barrel rearward) is not what the pros do.. they rely on the overall process to get the barrel on plane early and stay on plane through the zone. This results in an effortless, dynamic and smooth swing. There are few exceptions, but they are outliers. Many on here have tried to explain to you over and over again, but you don't seem to understand the concept of FYB, tilt and posture and how it contributes to the swing.. if you did, you wouldn't be talking about negative attack angles.
Triggered?
The ridiculous chopping motion is right from the mouths of your hofs. 7:22
Pros say, demo, practice hand path (down to), with whatever you think makes up the rest of the entire swing. I've never heard any pro say FYB sequence, tilt, maintain posture.
Post a video with the pro's clarification.
Until then, gfys.
 
Jul 16, 2013
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Well Frye is not making himself hard to find, he is confronting TM directly, so why do you have a problem with what he posted? I mean Frye isn’t Pujols, Arod, Yelich, Trout etc... but he agrees with what they are saying. So when he’s challenging TM and his methods, why is that unacceptable. Yes he might be a little sarcastic, but you don’t see that same sarcasm when TM exaggerates the choosing down on the ball? So why is it ok when see all TMs content pasted on here misleading people in regard to what the pros really do? Also for the record I have no issue confronting him, but he isn’t here... right? But then again I don’t really talk about him much.
Where did I state that I have an issue with Frye? I stated that I feel sorry for him. You dont seem to read very well or you skip over key points. Apparently he believes that his only chance of proving himself is to misrepresent his adversary. When it comes to a debate if that is all you are left with you have already lost. That's the position he's in he just hasn't realized it yet. Or maybe he has realized it and is getting desperate now.
 
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Jul 16, 2013
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So, one of two things is happening in this video. Either this is a parody, or this poor gentleman is clueless. That seems to be common. When someone doesn't understand something, instead of trying to learn, they just try to brush it off, and then look silly in the process. Poor guy...
@julray To help you along with your search here is the post I made... If you are going to make accusations about me please try to be accurate. Thank you.
 
Jul 16, 2013
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@julray There are two basic ways to prove a point. First, you could tell me why your method is correct. Second, you could tell me why your opponents method is incorrect. I much prefer the first method. (I am using "you" in the plural sense not singularly. It's not directed at you personally)

This is why I hate political debates. At least 90% of the time is spent trashing their opponents. I have better things to do with my time then to watch something like that.
 

TDS

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I see the content in Judy's post as well.. Which some of us have been talking about for 5 years now.. It works great on a Tee or hr derby..
 
Jul 16, 2013
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I see the content in Judy's post as well.. Which some of us have been talking about for 5 years now.. It works great on a Tee or hr derby..
One question and one point...

Question: Although I have been following the discussion on twitter, I must have missed part of it. Why is he referred to as "Judy"? Is that his nickname?

Point: When he speaks about his views, I understand what he has to say. But when he speaks of TM's views he is completely misrepresenting him. That is a childish tactic in my opinion. It would be like me making the comment that TDS wants his students to take a chair into the batter's box to swing. You use it as a drill, and I think it is a solid drill by the way. But I would be completely misrepresenting you in the process. That isn't right, and I wouldn't do that. If he feels he needs to misrepresent TM with his post, it just proves to me that he considers his position to be weak.
 

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