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I would also mention a little known golfer named Tiger Woods who completely revamped his swing multiple times though he was having all the success in the world. He knew it wasn't 'right' so he fixed it.

yeah. A lot of that was due to egos and injuries and control, though. This is not the case w Maddie. Dad and student are looking for more power. But again all the facts aren’t in place so some of my comments are just speculation.

I just find it odd to change when there’s success w power. 🤷🏻‍♂️. 210 oppo isn’t enough I guess?
 

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yeah. A lot of that was due to egos and injuries and control, though. This is not the case w Maddie. Dad and student are looking for more power. But again all the facts aren’t in place so some of my comments are just speculation.

I just find it odd to change when there’s success w power. 🤷🏻‍♂️. 210 oppo isn’t enough I guess?
Got it. My only comment would be is if the intent is to put the ball 260 left center field, then something didn't go right.
 
May 24, 2013
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Dad and student are looking for more power. But again all the facts aren’t in place so some of my comments are just speculation.

I just find it odd to change when there’s success w power. 🤷🏻‍♂️. 210 oppo isn’t enough I guess?

I'm glad you realize you're speculating.

We aren't looking for more power. We're trying to understand the reason why there was a recent and significant change in her ball flight direction, and a decrease from her typical power level. Of course the HR is nice, and was at an opportune moment, but we're paying attention to ALL of her at bats. The reality of Maddie's power capabilities is that 210' fly ball is most likely a slight miss-hit. When what looks and sounds to be squared-up contact doesn't go as far as you expect from a hitter you've seen hit thousands of balls, it raises questions. Not just from me, but from her, as well. It wasn't just one time, but multiple times over the last couple of weeks. After the games, I described what I was seeing to Mike, and his first question was, "What changed?". IMO, that was the right question.

Maddie, Mike, and I are working together to help her get the success that she wants. No significant or new changes are being made in Maddie's swing, but rather, we're making corrections to keep her on track with the pattern that has proven to be best for her. As I have said before, Maddie is in charge of her swing. At most, I'm just an analyst and consultant.
 
May 24, 2013
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There are times during a game/season where one loses the A swing.. Hitters who own the swing usually make subtle adjustments to accommodate.. It would be interesting to see what Maddie was feeling was missing/off during those AB's.

She liked that she was squaring up the ball well pretty consistently, but frustrated that it wasn't going as far as she expected from the quality of contact. She felt like she was making good swings.
 

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She liked that she was squaring up the ball well pretty consistently, but frustrated that it wasn't going as far as she expected from the quality of contact. She felt like she was making good swings.

Do you have any of those swings ? It would be interesting to compare.
 
May 24, 2013
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I just find it odd to change when there’s success w power. 🤷🏻‍♂️. 210 oppo isn’t enough I guess?

I continue to be completely puzzled by your "good enough" position.

Why in the world would someone settle for less than they are capable of?? 250+ power means a hitter is going to be more successful more often when they can miss-hit the ball 210' over the fence. 250+ power means that line drives and ground balls are getting through the IF - and maybe the OF - more often. Maddie is already at that power level. When the ball isn't coming off the bat the way we expect it to, we look for the reasons why so we can help her be more consistent at the higher end of her power potential. Sometimes those reasons are getting beat by good pitching, so we work on not getting beat (timing control, plate coverage, etc.) and squaring up contact. If you're not continually working on getting better, you're going backwards compared to your competition.
 
Oct 13, 2014
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I'm glad you realize you're speculating.

We aren't looking for more power. We're trying to understand the reason why there was a recent and significant change in her ball flight direction, and a decrease from her typical power level. Of course the HR is nice, and was at an opportune moment, but we're paying attention to ALL of her at bats. The reality of Maddie's power capabilities is that 210' fly ball is most likely a slight miss-hit. When what looks and sounds to be squared-up contact doesn't go as far as you expect from a hitter you've seen hit thousands of balls, it raises questions. Not just from me, but from her, as well. It wasn't just one time, but multiple times over the last couple of weeks. After the games, I described what I was seeing to Mike, and his first question was, "What changed?". IMO, that was the right question.

Maddie, Mike, and I are working together to help her get the success that she wants. No significant or new changes are being made in Maddie's swing, but rather, we're making corrections to keep her on track with the pattern that has proven to be best for her. As I have said before, Maddie is in charge of her swing. At most, I'm just an analyst and consultant.
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explains it better. But you said she hit the ball hard all weekend. that says it was good. Not mishits and she was going oppo. like I said the facts presented were apparently not the facts. She lost a bit of power makes sense when letting it travel more. 210 oppo bombs at 16u is great. messing w more power usually has dire consequences. NOT(editEd)trying to be a thorn. No ill-will intended. Good luck the rest of the way.
 
Oct 13, 2014
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I continue to be completely puzzled by your "good enough" position.

Why in the world would someone settle for less than they are capable of?? 250+ power means a hitter is going to be more successful more often when they can miss-hit the ball 210' over the fence. 250+ power means that line drives and ground balls are getting through the IF - and maybe the OF - more often. Maddie is already at that power level. When the ball isn't coming off the bat the way we expect it to, we look for the reasons why so we can help her be more consistent at the higher end of her power potential. Sometimes those reasons are getting beat by good pitching, so we work on not getting beat (timing control, plate coverage, etc.) and squaring up contact. If you're not continually working on getting better, you're going backwards compared to your competition.

Bc searching for optimal power loses optimal efficiency ALWAYS. too much of anything is bad. Balance the swing.


edit: baseball calls them 5 o’clock hitters. They hit BOMBS in BP and can’t hit in the games at 7 oclock.
 
May 24, 2013
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explains it better. But you said she hit the ball hard all weekend. that says it was good. Not mishits and she was going oppo. like I said the facts presented were apparently not the facts. She lost a bit of power makes sense when letting it travel more. 210 oppo bombs at 16u is great. messing w more power usually has dire consequences. NOT(editEd)trying to be a thorn. No ill-will intended. Good luck the rest of the way.

Right from the beginning...
What Eric F actually said:
Maddie hit the ball pretty hard...but it seemed like her power was a tick off her normal

She was happy to make good contact in most of her ABs that day, but was frustrated that the ball wasn't traveling the way it normally does for her. We went looking for why.
 
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May 24, 2013
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Bc searching for optimal power loses optimal efficiency ALWAYS. too much of anything is bad. Balance the swing.


edit: baseball calls them 5 o’clock hitters. They hit BOMBS in BP and can’t hit in the games at 7 oclock.

I would agree that someone swinging at their absolute limit is probably not going to be very successful. You might notice in the most recent BP video, she isn't swinging muscled-up, at the limits of control of her body, and out of balance. She generates bat speed very efficiently and comfortably. When things are working right, it looks easy, and the ball flies to the next zip code. We've seen this kind of power in games more than a few times. Getting to that place more often is what we're aiming for here.
 
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