barrel/hand pivot point, a.k.a TTB

[TDS]

So you view it as some say "Get sat" in the legs. If so, that's different then coil.

There is coiling but probably not the same as you're looking for if the rear leg is the driver.

I call it move out fb and sit on the off-speed.

 

[clemenslee1]

There is coiling but probably not the same as you're looking for if the rear leg is the driver.

I call it move out fb and sit on the off-speed.

Do the 3 you posted above, have any?

 

[Mudders Brudder]

yeah. To me the legs are used for timing then used for power. One before the other.

One/rear legged seems to use both at the same time so the front leg can’t get involved much.

Agree with your first sentence, but see the other as just the opposite. I see the other as a hitter going from "one leg" during the timing, then to the other for the power.

Obviously not that cut and dry as in on one leg then the other, but definitely transitional as going/flowing from one to the other as the weight transfer from the majority on the rear leg, and then shifting/transferring forward with the majority of it shifting into the front one.

As the Babe once explained - ""My weight is on my left (rear) foot, as I start swinging, my weight shifts to my right (lead) foot at the time of contact with the ball" I think says it pretty well.

I don't feel that hitters are ever really truly "balanced" equally on both (two) legs simultaneously before they swing. Sure, at one time, for a fraction of a second as they're transferring from one leg to the other during their swing they'll be equally balanced...

But I don't see that as being a checkpoint in their "sequence" of the swing...as in, they have to come to some equally balanced "loaded" position before they start their swing. Hence, if they were equally balanced before they start their swing, they truly wouldn't be "FYB"...in my definition of the term or position were speaking of.

Not saying anyone else is wrong in their beliefs of one vs two legged meanings...I'm just sharing my thoughts, and position wrt the two terms.

Carry on.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

It's not exactly true FP. When you play a sport there are many occasions where you need to brace with two legs in order to apply force to something, or it could be to get in a ready position because you need to make a decision to sprint/step/jump/dive this way or that way. Think of guarding somebody in basketball, trying to read a return in tennis, defending in football, goal tending etc. The athlete is balanced and ready to react/attack. Hitting a baseball is different than all the things I described, but different than sprinting to I guess. I just know having two feet on the ground in a ready position is a strong balanced position, much stronger than dynamically balanced with one foot on the ground and one in the air

Hmm, not sure I believe that anyone is truly equally weighted (equally balanced) on both feet in any of the things you just described above.

Through all of my playing and coaching years of multiple sports (baseball, basketball, soccer), any time a player was equally balanced on both feet waiting for something to happen...we called them being "flat footed", and not "ready" for whatever it was that was about to happen.

Think about teaching infielders, do you just want them just to be "on your toes!" waiting for the ball to be pitched and hit, or do you want them to "move your feet!" as we often yell out?

Sure, "on your toes" is better than "on your heels", but I think both imply equally balanced on the feet with a lesser ability to react one way and/or the other...compared to when someone's moving their feet (in place), and not ever having them equally weighted (or balanced) when waiting on the next thing to happen....

Whether that being waiting on a ball hit to you, guarding a player in basketball, or trying to figure out which way a player dribbling a soccer ball towards you at full speed are going. Better not just be standing there with both feet balanced/weighted on the ground...or you're going to be turning real soon to go chase after whatever it was that just flew by you when you had to shift your dead/static weight one way or the other before being able to move in that direction.

Moving, while waiting on a ball to hit is no different. One needs to have the majority of weight on "one leg" as you're moving forward while waiting to see where it's going ("FYB" the "timing" portion), and then start "shifting" it forward to the other leg as you're swinging the bat into the ball (the "power" portion).

Again, JMO....OMMV.

 

[Work=wins]

Agree with your first sentence, but see the other as just the opposite. I see the other as a hitter going from "one leg" during the timing, then to the other for the power.

Obviously not that cut and dry as in on one leg then the other, but definitely transitional as going/flowing from one to the other as the weight transfer from the majority on the rear leg, and then shifting/transferring forward with the majority of it shifting into the front one.

As the Babe once explained - ""My weight is on my left (rear) foot, as I start swinging, my weight shifts to my right (lead) foot at the time of contact with the ball" I think says it pretty well.

I don't feel that hitters are ever really truly "balanced" equally on both (two) legs simultaneously before they swing. Sure, at one time, for a fraction of a second as they're transferring from one leg to the other during their swing they'll be equally balanced...

But I don't see that as being a checkpoint in their "sequence" of the swing...as in, they have to come to some equally balanced "loaded" position before they start their swing. Hence, if they were equally balanced before they start their swing, they truly wouldn't be "FYB"...in my definition of the term or position were speaking of.

Not saying anyone else is wrong in their beliefs of one vs two legged meanings...I'm just sharing my thoughts, and position wrt the two terms.

Carry on.

Do you believe Mike has shifted anything before he swings his bat here?

 

[Buttermaker]

Balance point is rear hip. What is on either side of that? Don't include the head.

EDIT - actually include the head.

 

[Buttermaker]

One side is trying to go forward. The other side is trying to resist. Easy to get blinded by the front leg actions. Looks like Trout is picking up leg so he can use it to go forward. But, his rear leg is using it to keep him back.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

Do you believe Mike has shifted anything before he swings his bat here?

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"Shifted"? No. "Moved"? Yes.

 

[Work=wins]

"Shifted"? No. "Moved"? Yes.

shift- MOVE or cause to MOVE from one place to another.

wanna try again?

 

[julray]

Hmm, not sure I believe that anyone is truly equally weighted (equally balanced) on both feet in any of the things you just described above.

Through all of my playing and coaching years of multiple sports (baseball, basketball, soccer), any time a player was equally balanced on both feet waiting for something to happen...we called them being "flat footed", and not "ready" for whatever it was that was about to happen.

Think about teaching infielders, do you just want them just to be "on your toes!" waiting for the ball to be pitched and hit, or do you want them to "move your feet!" as we often yell out?

Sure, "on your toes" is better than "on your heels", but I think both imply equally balanced on the feet with a lesser ability to react one way and/or the other...compared to when someone's moving their feet (in place), and not ever having them equally weighted (or balanced) when waiting on the next thing to happen....

Whether that being waiting on a ball hit to you, guarding a player in basketball, or trying to figure out which way a player dribbling a soccer ball towards you at full speed are going. Better not just be standing there with both feet balanced/weighted on the ground...or you're going to be turning real soon to go chase after whatever it was that just flew by you when you had to shift your dead/static weight one way or the other before being able to move in that direction.

Moving, while waiting on a ball to hit is no different. One needs to have the majority of weight on "one leg" as you're moving forward while waiting to see where it's going ("FYB" the "timing" portion), and then start "shifting" it forward to the other leg as you're swinging the bat into the ball (the "power" portion).

Again, JMO....OMMV.

I don't think I said flat footed.. played sports all my life I do understand where you are coming from. My point is balanced, equal weight distribution. You can be on your toes with equal weight distribution.. and by no means do I mean staying in that position for any real period of time.. but the things I described does involve leveraging both legs equally.. favor one leg and you need to go the other way, you are done, can't recover.