Early bat speed - does it exist?

[Bobby Shirer]

I answering the questions individually and you want to know how the movements relate to each other.
Firstly, the sling is spinning around a somewhat stationary axis, its extension is because of the constant change in direction of the pulling force. It constantly accelerates even though the rational speed remains the same because of the directional change. The momentum decreases if the radius gets larger (extends)
The whip uses an advancing axis that moves down the length of the whip and increases in speed as it progresses because the momentum is conserved and squeezed into a smaller and smaller medium. The movement is a wave. If you watch it in slow motion, there is a rotational component in the same manner that the sling is spun by change of direction but the driving movement stops and the wave continues and accelerates.
The whip accelerates because of conservation of momentum from big to small. This wouldn't cause acceleration in a bat because the mass is greater as you move away from the handle.
I describe lag as the resistance to change of direction that causes a bending moment as the handle is torqued.
I describe bat drag as the movement of pulling the knob of the bat linearly.
The whip movement is due to change in direction of the pulling force, not the stopping of the force. Pull a whip by its handle and stop and all that happens is the small end bunches up behind the big end. Think water skier dragging behind a boat. Now if that boat suddenly turns, the water skier will experience centripetal force, accelerate in the direction of the turn and woohooo!!!!!! The whip turns sharply(u turn) ...momentum is conserved and acceleration happens.....
But if you put a mass at the end of the whip, I don't think the result would be what you'd see with the sling.

I still am not sure how you don't think there is whip in the swing. Are you stating that Miggy's swing is purely rotational? If we need to move this to practical i will, because i dont think i know all the big words.

Your bat drag is a straight linear pull. That is not what i am saying. I am agreeing that there is a slight rotational element to the swing around the core locked, or connected, to the torso. that allows the whip to happen. it is not end over end. It is not the human centipede of hitting.

The bat isn't being pulled directly upon itself. It is being turned by the torso then released to extension to the pitch and whipped to contact. Are you seeing something different with the Miggy video i posted?
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Is there whip in the swing? What is the motion of a whip? Look at the video I posted and tell me how swinging a bat is like a whip.
Then look at the video of the sling and tell me how swinging a bat is similar/disimilar.
The bat being "turned by the torso, released to extension and whipped to contact" is one way of swinging.
I prefer to think what you described as:
1. Holding the bat from extending radially due to centripetal force applied as the torso turns
2. Allowing the rotational acceleration to extend the bat radially
3. Reducing the turning radius of the hands so the barrel accelerates rotationally
I like the concept of a sling swinging slowly around my head and then swinging it with a smaller hand movement to accelerate the rotation. The hand movements are both rotational but the faster one travels in a smaller circle. You might define the final movement as "whipping" the sling
Ok?

 

[Work=wins]

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why do you continue to ignore your eyes. The chest stops. The hands stop. They both turn left because of that.

here’s a video on why rotation needs to be stopped. Look at most HOFers. They are closed. Now you know why.



2:34 mark : ‘it gives my hands a chance to strike and get a good barrel on it’.

I don't see it. You should try showing it rather than posting a video of 2 guys talking about it. If Giancarlo is starting closed and rotating past center, he's still rotating.
The chest stops the hands stop, errrr aaaaa they turn left. How were they moving before they stopped? We're they moving forward or turning left?
No explanation of stopping the turn. He struggles with pulling off because his swing is out front and not deep.
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why do you continue to ignore your eyes. The chest stops. The hands stop. They both turn left because of that.

here’s a video on why rotation needs to be stopped. Look at most HOFers. They are closed. Now you know why.



2:34 mark : ‘it gives my hands a chance to strike and get a good barrel on it’.

I don't see it. You should try showing it rather than posting a video of 2 guys talking about it. If Giancarlo is starting closed and rotating past center, he's still rotating.
The chest stops the hands stop, errrr aaaaa they turn left. How were they moving before they stopped? We're they moving forward or turning left?
No explanation of stopping the turn. He struggles with pulling off because his swing is out front and not deep.
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LOL. You don’t rotate into the ball. He just told you that. You need to stop to direct the barrel. He just told you that. I’ve told you that. I’ve showed you that. No pro speaks of torquing or turning the barrel for force or speed. You can say whatever you want but video doesn’t support your theories.

funny how you know what he does and he doesn’t. Sounds TMesque. Or is it BSesque ? Nothing and I mean nothing you say matches video. Sorry Charlie.

 

[_MIA_]

For the love of God somebody fix the quoting mess between the three of you!!

 

[clemenslee1]

I was thinking the other day (That could be dangerous ), when we say a pro doesn't talk about doing something such as torquing the barrel or feeling or performing certain body movements. That's probably because that's all they do, and they've been doing since 5yrs old. As a pro for hours multiple days out of the week. It's no different than walking, do we really feel all the muscles contracting and what not? No. So then what do we do as observers? We say that is just naturally happening, they aren't actuall torquing the bat etc. Well maybe they actually are, its just that a pro no longer feels themselves having to perform it any longer because its as we say second nature.

 

[clemenslee1]

 

[_MIA_]

He isn't a pro anymore...

 

[clemenslee1]

He isn't a pro anymore...

thanks for the laugh, I'm sure that will be brought as a reason to not listen to the guy!

 

[_MIA_]

thanks for the laugh, I'm sure that will be brought as a reason to not listen to the guy!

For it's worth (not much) I have always felt some torquing in my hands when I swing, even though I never thought about actually doing it . To me I think that was just a result of thinking about being quick/explosive at launch.

To each their own

 

[TDS]

For it's worth (not much) I have always felt some torquing in my hands when I swing, even though I never thought about actually doing it . To me I think that was just a result of thinking about being quick/explosive at launch.

To each their own

Patter what is torquing ? Are you referring to supination of the rear forearm/wrist ?

I guess I don't see it as a turn during the change in barrel direction. At that time the hands need to be free in order to adjust for the incoming pitch.

 

[_MIA_]

Patter what is torquing ? Are you referring to supination of the rear forearm/wrist ?

Put it this way. It didn't/doesn't feel the same as the snap it sup drills but there is a definite feeling in the hands of doing something active other than just directing.