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May 16, 2010
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I don't think this is SNF drill. I believe this is the Attack Opposite drill:
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And, you would be thinking right, for a change. :D
 
May 16, 2010
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The "torque drill" is one of the most swing damaging drills that I've ever seen. If a horrible hitter does that drill, they may improve from where they started just because of the fact that they are making some effort to improve.

The truth is that the "torque drill" is one of the worst drills a hitter can do. Lock the front leg?... Wow. Please stay away from that!!!!

It appears to me, that you don't understand the focus and purpose of the drill. It's a GREAT drill, if done correctly and if the student understands what the focus is.

It IS a beginner's drill for the most part. It is designed to learn how to balance, and how the legs should be positioned at contact. It is designed to learn how to keep the hands back and not pull them forward, or out, or many other incorrect moves with the arms and hands.

It is designed to help you get to this;

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May 16, 2010
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The version I was commenting on was the Epstein drill. Training the front side to pull off during the launch portion of the swing will lead to less bat-speed where you want it as well as poor ball flight off the bat (if you make contact). I will leave it at that, but there are countless issues that that drill will cause.

That isn't what it is training. It is training you to wind up the middle, just as part of what the SNF drill does. It's teaching you to feel the stretch by turning your hips to where they should be, before you unload the top half, and then unload the top half.

It's teaching you how to lead with the hips and keep the hands back, and balance. It's trying to get you to unload like this;

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May 16, 2010
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What are your thoughts on locking the front leg? When should it happen? Should the hitter try to make it happen?

It almost always does. Usually right at contact. Sometimes before, sometimes at, and sometimes just after.

Yes, you should try to make it happen. It should naturally happen if you think of bracing up the front leg to stay back and complete hip rotation.

Examples;

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May 16, 2010
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Torgue drill/deltoid drill (Epstein ) maybe a good drill for a starting 8-9 y/o. The biggest problem is when the hitter now has to take the bat off of the deltoid/side of shoulder. Now your back to trying to use the hands correctly-'turn the barrel'.

That's an easy addition if they've learned the first part.

The next step is to learn how to move the legs from your negative move, into the position in the drill while keeping the stretch.

Then you learn to use the hands.
 
Oct 25, 2009
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Why we are posting video, any chance you have the check swing drill on video?



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Don't have a video. It's just like the torque drill, except the bat is in normal launch position. By exaggerating some of the mechanics, various benefits can be realized. Exaggerated stretch, for example.
 
Oct 25, 2009
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Torgue drill/deltoid drill (Epstein ) maybe a good drill for a starting 8-9 y/o. The biggest problem is when the hitter now has to take the bat off of the deltoid/side of shoulder. Now your back to trying to use the hands correctly-'turn the barrel'.

The check swing drill doesn't have the bat on the deltoid. Believe it or not, there are many HS players that are "beginners." Even experienced batters can benefit from the drill, though. It's a very good core exercise if nothing else. I use it. It works.
 
Oct 25, 2009
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What are your thoughts on locking the front leg? When should it happen? Should the hitter try to make it happen?

I want the front leg somewhat flexed at toe touch. The results of the swing will stiffen the leg as the front hip pushes back.
 
Oct 25, 2009
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I just got down to reading the last few posts while I was posting in between. Those wondering about the benefits of the check swing drill (a variation of the torque drill) only need to read jbooth's post on it. He is on the mark for the reasons I use it.

It is one of the quickest ways I have found to get a kid to understand and be able to be at point of contact. By actually doing it, instead of me telling them and demonstrating it for them.

Some years ago I used this drill with a bungee attached to the bat. I was using it for conditioning until I noticed the kids picked up on where the hips should be and various other mechanics. I don't use the bungee now except when we are restricted to conditioning instead of skills training. Although this does teach the skill, it also qualifies as conditioning.

Before someone warns me, we don't swing the bat with the bungee attached. We do a matrix like movement. Slowly!!
 
Oct 25, 2009
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Pardon me but I'm going to paraphrase a quote from one of the great men in our country's history in response to a few of these last posts:

"The trouble with many of our hitting coach friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Enlighten us, if you will!
 

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