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Drags with a replant and no extra push.
CrowHopping, Replanting, etc. - Not being called by Umps
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- May 10, 2010
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Doenst a crow hop also have to do with the hands being together at the time of the replant. Any thing else is either a replant or leap with the hands seperated? The previous post are running together and I am so confused now. I think batters should have the same type of rules like feet have to be parallel and in contact with the batters box at all times. Just joking. The only rule that I would wish away is the leap. Because that is the only rule that most umpires understand and will call at the worst time. Look at how many pages this thread has gone. To much left for interpretation. As far as stepping back goes it is easier and does help with velocity. The pitchers that learned with both feet on the rubber made an easier transition to college though. That being said those pitchers did not play tb and were recruited to a local college out of high school.
JJsqueeze
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Is that Eastern time or Pacific? As sad as it seems I can either sit at this computer and work or troll this board and I choose the latter so don't keep me waiting big guy.
halskinner
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- May 7, 2008
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Leaping is an illegal act that can happen on accident.
A crow hop is an illegal act that is done on purpose. Nobody accidentally crow hops. A crow hop is done by pitchers starting with both feet on the rubber. It is done for the pitching advantage of shortening the pitching distance ,
The stride foot starting behind the rubber, like in HS ball, has nothing to do with a crow hop, no bearing on it whatsoever.
Doing that adds speed and distance to the stride and produces a longer and quicker stride. The act of starting out behind the rubber doesnt in itself add 'Velocity' to the pitch but the longer faster stride will by developing appreciable forward momentum speed before the center of body weight goes past the pivot point on the front edge of the rubber.
I must also add that a pitcher that knows how to do 'The Legal Rockback' also develops that same additional forward momentum speed from just behind the rubber starting with both feet on the rubber. However, this is probably only applicable to leap and drag style pitchers. The kind that 'Rock and Fire'.
THE LEGAL ROCKBACK
A crow hop is an illegal act that is done on purpose. Nobody accidentally crow hops. A crow hop is done by pitchers starting with both feet on the rubber. It is done for the pitching advantage of shortening the pitching distance ,
The stride foot starting behind the rubber, like in HS ball, has nothing to do with a crow hop, no bearing on it whatsoever.
Doing that adds speed and distance to the stride and produces a longer and quicker stride. The act of starting out behind the rubber doesnt in itself add 'Velocity' to the pitch but the longer faster stride will by developing appreciable forward momentum speed before the center of body weight goes past the pivot point on the front edge of the rubber.
I must also add that a pitcher that knows how to do 'The Legal Rockback' also develops that same additional forward momentum speed from just behind the rubber starting with both feet on the rubber. However, this is probably only applicable to leap and drag style pitchers. The kind that 'Rock and Fire'.
THE LEGAL ROCKBACK
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- Jul 14, 2008
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Tick Talk, Tick Talk........Sorry, I'm still at work. Be home in 30 min.
Meanwhile........I've asked this twice already.......WHY CAN'T I GET AN ANSWER????
Where are all you rules experts??? What about it Skinner? Can you answer the question??
I posted the May 2012 ASA rules clarifications. ASA has clarified that as long as the pivot foot drags away from the pitching plate there is no rule which states it cannot bear weight again. So no, neither the rule book nor the rules clarifications state it to be illegal for the pivot foot to bear weight are be planted again prior to the stride foot landing. As long as the pivot foot has dragged away from the pitching plate.
- Jul 14, 2008
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EXACTLY........I said that was best explanation I've heard...........There is no rule that says that the pivot foot cannot be re-weighted before the stride foot after the initial push..........
So the problem seems that the re-plant on it's own is NOT Illegal..........The question then becomes, does the simple act of replanting the pivot foot prior to re-planting the stride foot create an advantage. Does it matter if the stride leg is fully extended prior to the replant of the pivot foot? Does it matter if the stride foot gains no further distance then if there was no replant?
Here's our guy once again..........
The reason I blocked out his pivot foot/leg, is to see if any of you could determine whether he was gaining an advantage in this pitch by extending further then he would if he was NOT replanting.........
NO ONE COULD TELL.........Because without seeing his pivot foot/leg.........He looks like he's not gaining any advantage...........His pivot foot is coming down pretty much where we would expect it to based on his INITIAL PUSH from the rubber........
So here he is in all his "REPLANT" glory..........Yet without seeing him replant his pivot foot.....Whether he's dragging or not..........None of you could discern whether he was gaining an advantage from the OBVIOUS replant.........
I find that REALLY INTERESTING........
JJsqueeze
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wait just a cotton picking minute.....I correctly discerned that he was replanting with a push from the right hip motion just before LFT. WHERE IS MY PRIZE!!!!
halskinner
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- May 7, 2008
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OK, I have sat back and chuckled as lomg as I can stand it.
}I posted the May 2012 ASA rules clarifications. ASA has clarified that as long as the pivot foot drags away from the pitching plate there is no rule which states it cannot bear weight again. So no, neither the rule book nor the rules clarifications state it to be illegal for the pivot foot to bear weight are be planted again prior to the stride foot landing. As long as the pivot foot has dragged away from the pitching plate".
YOU CANNOT "DRAG" SOMETHING in front of you. You can only ;Drag' something from behind you. The stride foot must come forward first before you CAN drag the pivot foot forward. Once the stride foot has touched down, you can put weight on the pivot foot but why would you want or need to?
We are still talking about crow hopping right?
}I posted the May 2012 ASA rules clarifications. ASA has clarified that as long as the pivot foot drags away from the pitching plate there is no rule which states it cannot bear weight again. So no, neither the rule book nor the rules clarifications state it to be illegal for the pivot foot to bear weight are be planted again prior to the stride foot landing. As long as the pivot foot has dragged away from the pitching plate".
YOU CANNOT "DRAG" SOMETHING in front of you. You can only ;Drag' something from behind you. The stride foot must come forward first before you CAN drag the pivot foot forward. Once the stride foot has touched down, you can put weight on the pivot foot but why would you want or need to?
We are still talking about crow hopping right?
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JJsqueeze
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I don't think the advantage is in the distance gain, it is in the momentum gained from that momentary "skip" from pivot to stride, it lets him push off the pivot leg into the stride leg right before release for a much stronger right hip drive than if there is no replant and push. His drag foot clearly lands for a push before LFT.
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