Pitching speeds

[JDBerry]

From a physics standpoint, there is no "late break" on a pitch. Batters perceive a late break if they are late in identifying the pitch as a breaking pitch or if they misjudge the speed of the pitch.

wrong

Perception is just that. A separate issue. Whether one pitch is perceived as breaking doesn't matter

Physics holds a ball breaks late in given circumstances. The effect (pull) on the ball is not constant. It's not instant as it leaves the hand. The area of pressures that actually move the balls change their size and effect as conditions along the flightpath changes Spins degenerate. Speeds degenerate. Trajectory vs spin angle vs gravity with degeneration. Blah blah blah

 

[JDBerry]

They are categorized as knuckleballs or gyroballs .

Nope. Ball is spinning

 

[halskinner]

This video is of a right handed pitcher throwing a cutter or curve. However, nobody is mentioning that fact or the break to the right the ball is making to around 5 or 6 feet in front of the pitcher.

The ball is released and quickly breaks to the right, then straightens its path (line on the left) then tails in at the end (To the end point of the line on the right.).

If the line on the right is the vision path, shouldnt it start at the right hip of the pitcher, where the vbatter SHOULD be looking for the release?

That is what I see.

 

[JDBerry]

Madsdad,
The debate is questioning whether there is late break, or if the ball somehow progressively changes trajectory. Science is saying that for the most part, from the moment a projectile begins flight, it's path will remain constant. Spin and speed affect the arc of the of the trajectory. The ballistict science is important to understand along with the art of using it to your advantage to maximize the perception of the eyes and brain.

Yes. Spin and speed cause the trajectory to have more arc, but that arc does not magically change along the 40 feet as much the brain thinks it does.

Oops. Slight mess up there

 

[JDBerry]

Who was that old physics guy that noted - many times half of a ball's linear movement happened in the last 15' of the pitch of a curve ball?

 

[Ken B]

wrong

Perception is just that. A separate issue. Whether one pitch is perceived as breaking doesn't matter

Physics holds a ball breaks late in given circumstances. The effect (pull) on the ball is not constant. It's not instant as it leaves the hand. The area of pressures that actually move the balls change their size and effect as conditions along the flightpath changes Spins degenerate. Speeds degenerate. Trajectory vs spin angle vs gravity with degeneration. Blah blah blah

I believe you are probably ultimately correct. However, I'd bet that the actual physical change is much less than the illusion that takes place in the mind due to human factors.

 

[Ken B]

Oops. Slight mess up there

I'm not seeing it?

 

[Ken B]

Ha!,
I didn't see the video. Did you attach one or were you refering to on in a previous post? Might be my 'puter...

 

[halskinner]

Ha!,
I didn't see the video. Did you attach one or were you refering to on in a previous post? Might be my 'puter...

The one on this thread with the two lines.

 

[Rocketech1]

I believe you are probably ultimately correct. However, I'd bet that the actual physical change is much less than the illusion that takes place in the mind due to human factors.

Completely agree with this statement. May have mentioned before but DD had a very successful D1 hitting instructor who would bet her life on the "fact" that a high rise ball jumps over her bat and a low rise ball would start out of the strike zone (low) and "rise" into the zone for a strike.

What I believe she is experiencing is she expected the high rise ball to drop more and would swing under the pitch convincing her that the ball "rose over her bat" and for the low rise ball, she would expect it to drop more out of the strike zone like you would expect for a fast ball or drop ball however the pitch stays more on it's original plane of trajectory and didn't drop out of the strike zone as one would expect. The actual amount of break is less important than the "perception" or "illusion" of break and the batter's expectations of what amount of movement the pitch should have based on 1,000 and 1,000 of reps hitting an arced ball.