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Mar 11, 2013
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Only if he can't explain the scientific difference between early and late movement.
Remind me what Robert Adair's opinion of balls that reacted opposite to the magnus effect was, I can't remember.

Balls that actually move opposite to their spin

The scientific difference is pretty easy to understand
 
Feb 3, 2010
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Pac NW
Aw Ken,,, now ya went and did it. Now you have to take the next two hours and explain what 'Good form'. She's new so explain in detail.

I'm gonna go make some popcorn, maybe re-paint the house while you finish that novel. LOL

I realize this will probably ruffle some feathers and I may even get band, but here goes:

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Bad Form

Good Form
 
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sluggers

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May 26, 2008
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Dallas, Texas
From a physics standpoint, there is no "late break" on a pitch. Batters perceive a late break if they are late in identifying the pitch as a breaking pitch or if they misjudge the speed of the pitch.

If you want your DD to throw a pitch with a late break:

(1) She has to learn how to change speeds (not simply throw a changeup) with her breaking pitches.
(2) Have the same motion for all pitches.
(3) Hide all clues as the pitch she is throwing.
 
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Greenmonsters

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Feb 21, 2009
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Remind me what Robert Adair's opinion of balls that reacted opposite to the magnus effect was, I can't remember.

Balls that actually move opposite to their spin

The scientific difference is pretty easy to understand

They are categorized as knuckleballs or gyroballs ;).

Can a soft thrower have late movement?
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
From a physics standpoint, there is no "late break" on a pitch. Batters perceive a late break if they are late in identifying the pitch as a breaking pitch or if they misjudge the speed of the pitch.

If you want your DD to throw a pitch with a late break:

(1) She has to learn how to change speeds (not simply throw a changeup) with her breaking pitches.
(2) Have the same motion for all pitches.
(3) Hide all clues as the pitch she is throwing.

Like the rising fastball, the breaking pitch contradicts the laws the physics - the trajectory of every spinning pitch is smooth with no sudden changes.

the ball is in a free fall throughout its flight - the longer the pitch is in the air, the farther it falls
 
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Feb 3, 2010
5,752
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Pac NW
(2) Have the same motion for all pitches.
Can part of the illusion come from the delivery? I think the screw and curve are two pitches where pitchers may not get much "break," but because of the way some deliver the ball, you look for it going somewhere it doesn't.
 
Feb 5, 2010
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Wait !!! does this hold true for horizontal and vertical? So my sore toe is my fault, she is going to be so disappointed.
 

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