barrel/hand pivot point, a.k.a TTB

[Bonesaw]

It’s amazing. I’ve been taken outta context constantly. Is this the only way folks can debate? LOL. Weak.

the ground is definitely used. But most kids either push off the ground or leverage the ground with a sway. Both are incorrect and leaves a hitter with a unbalanced compensatory pattern. The ground should be held onto during the swing and also used for stabilization when launching the swing.

the hips are used for rotation. Both upper and lower body take advantage of the hips. BUT THE OBLIQUES CREATE LAUNCH. The gif of shirtless Ted shows it. The middle is where the energy originates from. Counter rotation is the energy source. Sure the glutes are used to help facilitate the move forward but they are not the originator.

You cant say that the obliques move the hips and then claim to be taken out of context. This is simply not how the body works and it is not a debate.

The most that happens to the pelvis (from obliques while feet are on the ground) is a MAYBE few degrees of tilt. The obliques can only move the ribs closer to the pelvis. This is because there is like 50+ pounds of muscle attaching both legs to the pelvis. Anchoring it.
Also, take a look at shirtless Ted's Right quad. It is flexed as his leg is straightening and moving his pelvis. His leg is moving his hip.

The lower body moves the hips/pelvis so that the obliques are stretched and can contract with maximum force. They keep rotating through the swing to try and keep the obliques stretched so they can keep contracting.

 

[rdbass]

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[TDS]

You cant say that the obliques move the hips and then claim to be taken out of context. This is simply not how the body works and it is not a debate.

The most that happens to the pelvis (from obliques while feet are on the ground) is a MAYBE few degrees of tilt. The obliques can only move the ribs closer to the pelvis. This is because there is like 50+ pounds of muscle attaching both legs to the pelvis. Anchoring it.
Also, take a look at shirtless Ted's Right quad. It is flexed as his leg is straightening and moving his pelvis. His leg is moving his hip.

The lower body moves the hips/pelvis so that the obliques are stretched and can contract with maximum force. They keep rotating through the swing to try and keep the obliques stretched so they can keep contracting.

So Are your saying this isn't a core (obliques contracting, etc..) controlled launch ?

 

[rdbass]

 

[Bonesaw]

So Are your saying this isn't a core (obliques, etc..) controlled launch ?

No Im not arguing that. Im saying the obliques/core dont move the pelvis. Look how much her front leg is working to turn the pelvis against the contracting core.

To say the core is rotating the hips is like saying the sun revolves around the earth.

 

[rdbass]

I'm tired of the 'chopped up' gif

 

[Work=wins]

You cant say that the obliques move the hips and then claim to be taken out of context. This is simply not how the body works and it is not a debate.

The most that happens to the pelvis (from obliques while feet are on the ground) is a MAYBE few degrees of tilt. The obliques can only move the ribs closer to the pelvis. This is because there is like 50+ pounds of muscle attaching both legs to the pelvis. Anchoring it.
Also, take a look at shirtless Ted's Right quad. It is flexed as his leg is straightening and moving his pelvis. His leg is moving his hip.

The lower body moves the hips/pelvis so that the obliques are stretched and can contract with maximum force. They keep rotating through the swing to try and keep the obliques stretched so they can keep contracting.

 

[TDS]

No Im not arguing that. Im saying the obliques/core dont move the pelvis. Look how much her front leg is working to turn the pelvis against the contracting core.

To say the core is rotating the hips is like saying the sun revolves around the earth.

No its about getting into a leveraged position before launching (contracting obliques) the swing based on needed direction.

 

[Bonesaw]

Im not arguing that the swing is or isnt launched by the core.

Im just saying that the core does not/cannot move the hips. Work=wins said it does multiple times(and several seemed to agree) . The human body does not work that way.

If you perceive that this is happening you are incorrect. It's not anyones opinion, it is a fact.

 

[TDS]

Im not arguing that the swing is or isnt launched by the core.

Im just saying that the core does not/cannot move the hips. Work=wins said it does multiple times(and several seemed to agree) . The human body does not work that way.

If you perceive that this is happening you are incorrect. It's not anyones opinion, it is a fact.

I know the legs are capable of moving the hips but IMO the core needs to be engaged during the whole sequence.. If one attempts to leverage the core only at launch I think something gets left behind... Most of the core work I focus on happens during the pre-swing which assists in making the core reactive at launch time.