Fielding % (like batting average except for the defense)

[_MIA_]

Maybe I should start a poll how many times does Mr.Pattar need to repeat that same comment before you feel you have made your point.

Until you acknowledge that your opinion on that is asinine?

 

[CoachJD]

Interesting in what way should Major League Baseball become higher standard?

Perhaps the same parameters/analytics that are used moving up from 10U?!

This is why I was bringing up the question about description of what ordinary effort is. It is not the same for everybody

Nice to read the conversation opened up!

Think about the hardest hit ball you've ever seen in 10U.

A Major Leaguer is expected to catch that ball if it's hit at them.

Think about the hardest hit ball you've ever seen hit in a Major League game.

Would you ever expect any 10u player to catch a ball hit that hard?

I really think the ways in which the standard by which you judge changes should be obvious.

I think there is a small but distinct difference between "opinion" and "judgment." Scoring should not be based on opinion. It is judgment. A person doesn't need to base an opinion on anything at all. Judgment is a decision made based on facts, experience, observation, etc. Too many people treat scoring as a chance to opine. That's not the job.

 

[radness]

Until you acknowledge that your opinion on that is asinine?

I don't know that's kind of borderline being a jerk now because I did respond to your other posts. And I was trying to add to discussion thinking through observational differences in players.

By the way I'm allowed to have my own personal standard which I just shared that really was not the bearing of my perspective on the entire conversation.

 

[Lobster Birch]

I have to believe Rad is just trolling everyone. No other explanation makes sense.

 

[_MIA_]

I don't know that's kind of borderline being a jerk now because I did respond to your other posts. And I was trying to add to discussion thinking through observational differences in players.

By the way I'm allowed to have my own personal standard which I just shared that really was not the bearing of my perspective on the entire conversation.

Sure thing Rad..it is ok to admit your opinion was off base..nobody will think less of you. That said, I’ll stop if it is upsetting you. Not my intention.

 

[radness]

I have to believe Rad is just trolling everyone. No other explanation makes sense.

No its for discussion is all!

Too bad people took offense. Troll? Heck no!

The original topic was
*are we talking to the players by pointing out errors or are we communicating to them about building our performance! building our Fielding stats! like we build our hitting stats that was the main point I was trying to make.

Wherever conversations go, they go.

It's a shame that people can't recognize the separation between if I commented on my own personal standard (which I never said I applied it to others)
And just having discussion points drawing from things people say to stimulate more conversation.
Do not think it is asinine to share perspectives.

 

[JayW]

I agree with you, but with the caveat the the overall level of play matters.

You don't score a college game the same way you score a 10u game (also, the scoring of a 10u game doesn't matter much for other reasons). But you score every college game the same (actually, I'm probably scoring some bad JUCO game differently than the WCWS).

The standard for a Major League Baseball game should be higher, but you should judge every Major League player by the same standard. You don't penalize Ozzie Smith for almost making the marvelous play because you're used to him making it when you don't penalize Derek Jeter because you know he's not capable of it.

actually you do

 

[CoachJD]

actually you do

Not sure which part of it you're responding to, but if it's the last line, no, you don't. The reason better defenders often get more errors isn't because they're graded harder. It's because they get to more balls than lesser defenders.

If you think you're supposed to judge each player on their own personal level of ability, well, no that's wrong and also impossible in most situations.

 

[KrisHur]

Yet another hypothetical discussion for the purpose of discussion breaking down into name calling - SMH. I do not think it was Rad's intention (ever) to troll anyone. JMHO, we can discuss on a case by case basis about errors and giving the batter the hit as per the scoring rules but diving should be expected and not considered extra effort. Maybe not at 10U but definitely at 16U. When I see a play where a dive is warranted and the fielder doesn't go for it, it looks lazy, JMO YMMV

 

[nikkilugi]

JMHO, we can discuss on a case by case basis about errors and giving the batter the hit as per the scoring rules but diving should be expected and not considered extra effort. Maybe not at 10U but definitely at 16U. When I see a play where a dive is warranted and the fielder doesn't go for it, it looks lazy, JMO YMMV

It may look lazy but like Coach JD stated above that's just an opinion - not an error. Whether they dive or not doesn't matter. If they dive and the ball deflects off their glove or squirts out that's not an error. If they dive and make a fantastic play that everyone loses their minds over then that's an awesome extraordinary play. If they dive, glove the ball and make a terrible throw that's a throwing error. Stats are stats and opinions don't really come into play.