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yes you did! but some are slower learners.......LOL
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You are wrong on both of those.
Barnhill has brush...check out this video, which shows her arm brushing her hip.
Waldrop also brushed her hip....some of her instructional videos show her with a bad case of monkey butt *now*, but she had great posture when she was pitching for FSU.
Clearly brushing her hip.
If Royalty is killing anyone, she is killing her coaches. She has 39 walks and 13HBP in 110 innings. That is not good.
Montana Fouts: 147 IP, 39 walks, 3HBP
Megan Faraimo (UCLA): 102 IP, 16 walks, 3HBP.
Ellyson (Louisiana Lafayette): 136IP, 22 walks, 4HBP.
Harkness (SIU--my Alma Mater): 156 IP, 29 walks.
A better comparison is college baseball pitchers. Same age, same experience level.
Arkansas is the #1 rated team in the US. For their staff: 372 IP, 158 walks, 40 HBP. Vanderbilt is the #2 team in the US...373 IP, 158 BB, 38 HBP. Those numbers work out to 4 free passes every 7 innings...which is significantly worse than all the pitchers listed above.
But, you brought up MLB pitchers...so, St. Louis Cardinals are leading their division. Their pitching staff: 270 IP, 122 BBs, 23HBP--works out to 3 free passes per 7 innings.
So, a bunch of men making millions of dollars each year who devote themselves to pitching are no better control-wise than Royalty, and are worse (control-wise) than a lot of college softball pitchers.
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Maybe walks aren't that big of a deal. MLB pitching is dominating this year, it could be because pitchers are working the edges of the plate more. From Sports Illustrated:
"Teams are averaging more than a strikeout per inning for the first time ever. And if you set aside strikeouts to focus just on when hitters do make contact—it’s now rarer for that contact to turn into hits, with a year-over-year decrease in hard-hit percentage, and the lowest BABIP since 1989."
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Yahoo Sports just had an article where it said pitchers are no longer working the edges.
"Evidence of how this is creating game-changing wildness can, strangely, be found in the heart of the strike zone. Pitchers are piping in as many center-cut offerings as we’ve ever tracked (going back to 2008), and surrendering the fewest hits on record. The focus, you see, is on uncorking the most fearsome pitch possible, not worrying about where it’s going. Those are the forces that make the current overpowering of batters possible, but they also make once fluky events like hit batters and wild pitches a bigger part of the story." ...
"Turbocharging velocity and movement — and placing a priority on whiffs — inherently pushes the limits of control."
"That’s bearing out in the numbers. The combined number of hit batters, wild pitches and passed balls — which we’ll call out-of-control pitches — is at an all-time high in the modern game. It’s almost a given you’ll see one each time you tune in — MLB was averaging 0.962 per game entering Wednesday. That’s up 36.3 percent up since 2011, and 13.4 percent from 2019, even. (Left uncounted are the injury-to-insult style swinging strikes that hit the bamboozled batter — a smaller genre that, anecdotally, also seems to pop up more than ever.)
Why MLB pitchers are getting too good to throw perfect games
Orioles starter John Means' no-hitter was the third of 2021, and none has featured a walk. Here's why MLB arms are losing perfect games a different way these days.
sports.yahoo.com
Well Ms. Royalty is pitching a ton of innings as a Freshman for a very well respected softball school and doing quite well for herself and her team. To me that is killing it but now we are getting into semantics. Also, lets not lose sight of the original point which can happen easily. It was said that it is impossible to be accurate without BI. I disagreed and gave examples. Not sure I've seen anything yet to refute my original point.
We need to summon Ken B. and all have a separate discussion about Barnhill and Waldrop since he and I both disagree with you. https://www.discussfastpitch.com/threads/pitching-injury-help-needed.39261/page-3#post-576171
P.S. -since we're comparing players of similar experience by comparing college baseball to college softball -
Royalty is a Freshman : 110 IP, 39 BB, 13 HBP = .47 BB/HBP per inning x 7 innings = 3.29
Fouts as a freshman: 181 IP, 57 BB, 4 HBP - .34 BB/HBP per inning x 7 innings = 2.38
Less than 1 per game difference. Hardly a huge difference but again, that's just me. Splitting hairs may show something different to some but in the grand scheme of things, it's pretty darn close and certainly not evidence that not using brush will make it impossible to be accurate.
But let me be clear. I'm not saying BI is bad. On the contrary. I taught it to my DD. What I am trying to do is make clear to those parents with pitching DD's that all is not lost if you try to get your DD to Brush but are unsuccessful. HER CAREER IS NOT OVER if she cannot brush so DON'T GIVE UP. She can get a scholarship to pitch at Arizona State or Florida or Florida State without using BI.. That's all I am trying to prove here because some folks make it seem that without BI, all hope of being a successful pitcher is lost, and I don't want young pitchers discouraged and quitting because of something they read here. Jsut saw it yesterday in your "Fatal Flaws of Pitching" thread where people were mentioning lack of BI. As a FATAL FLAW? Like if you don't BI you have no hope. That's hogwash and needs to refuted. Even if it means catching hell from the groupthink types here.
ATTENTION Young pitchers ---
There are multiple ways to pitch just as there are multiple ways to hit and a player can be successful without using the absolute best method.
I'll leave you with this -
Hightower Fla - 126 IP, 34BB, 7 HBP =.33 BB/HBP per inning x 7 innings = 2.31
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That is a funny line!! LOL. And I mean, genuinely funny not a sarcastic funny like I disagree. Walks drive coaches insane.
I'm not sure you understand BI. BI has two separate parts: brush and block.
Brush refers to the arm touching the body when the arm is at 7 or 8. Brush occurs prior to release, not after release. The arm makes contact with the body when the arm is at 8ish.
Block refers to the upper arm being stopped by the body. Lots of pitchers don't block. You post pictures after release. The picture shows no block. But, that doesn't mean there is no brush.
Now you are being silly. The difference between the two is one runner per game.
The trick in pitching is winning 1 run games, not winning games where you are up by 10. One extra base runner is the difference between going to the playoffs and reading about it on DFP.
No really. The good pitching coaches like Pauly, Tincher, @Hillhouse, and the rest all teach the same thing. They use different words, but they describe the same thing.
You finally got around to posting a relevant picture. She doesn't look like she brushes.
What part of the arm and what part of the body specifically?
Interesting question, but completely hypothetical.
Athletes are ridiculously superstitious about what they wear during a game. Pitchers are the worst.
My DD refused to wear a long sleeve shirt when pitching, even in Chicagoland in March during snow flurries and a 20MPH wind. (I would be wearing a parka, a knit hat, gloves, sweater and scarf...and she would be on the mound in her short sleeve shirt.) She got into an argument with her D1 coach over the same thing...and my DD won the argument.
Talk about being silly. Trying to avoid answering a very good question by painting an entire population of players as so superstitious they would never change clothing thickness. Come on man. Not at all hypothetical. Not all are that caught up in what they wear. Plus sometimes a pitcher will wear sleeves when it's cold. So what's the answer to his question Ray? Would it throw a pitcher off to wear thicker clothing?
