GameChanger stats - used by Coaches or Program Managers?

[KrisHur]

Just curious. Do coaches and program managers review stats in game changer and use them for anything? If a girl is trying out for a team does anyone review the stats? Colleges?

My DD is on a pretty solid 14U team. A parent does our game changer and I noticed this spring that he was assigning errors to my DD (@ 1st) for impossible plays and bad throws to her. In one game at the end of the summer he assigned her *3* errors but when the same "error" happened up the 3rd base line, it was magically no longer an error (they are not particularly friendly with the 3rd baseman's parents and the girls are not particularly friendly). After this game I sent this parent an email about it and he emailed me back CCing the coach (who said nothing).

At first I thought it was my bias so started keeping an eye on it and noticed he mostly does it when his DD is pitching (protecting her ERA?) and is reluctant to assign his DD the fielding errors he passes out so freely to the other girls. I mentioned it to DH who said he noticed it for some time now but who cares? Just curious if I should care or not. TIA

 

[NBECoach]

Just curious. Do coaches and program managers review stats in game changer and use them for anything? If a girl is trying out for a team does anyone review the stats? Colleges?

My DD is on a pretty solid 14U team. A parent does our game changer and I noticed this spring that he was assigning errors to my DD (@ 1st) for impossible plays and bad throws to her. In one game at the end of the summer he assigned her *3* errors but when the same "error" happened up the 3rd base line, it was magically no longer an error (they are not particularly friendly with the 3rd baseman's parents and the girls are not particularly friendly). After this game I sent this parent an email about it and he emailed me back CCing the coach (who said nothing).

At first I thought it was my bias so started keeping an eye on it and noticed he mostly does it when his DD is pitching (protecting her ERA?) and is reluctant to assign his DD the fielding errors he passes out so freely to the other girls. I mentioned it to DH who said he noticed it for some time now but who cares? Just curious if I should care or not. TIA

The answer is in your post. Those stats are only as good as the scorekeeper and as you state skewed to make the scorer DD look good.

 

[texasheat]

Just curious. Do coaches and program managers review stats in game changer and use them for anything? If a girl is trying out for a team does anyone review the stats? Colleges?

No. At least the smart ones don't. They are well aware of the fact that the data is only as good as the person inputting it so they take GC stats with a grain of salt.

Now if they know and trust the person doing GC coaches will pay attention but those are few and far between as it seems like the person usually most eager to do GC is one that doesn't know crap.

And college coaches couldn't care less about GC stats.

 

[YOCOACH]

As said above by TH. But that's also why none of my pitchers' or catchers' parents are allowed to keep GC for our team and I insist that the one who does, take a quick course in scorekeeping or at the very least, know the rules intimately. As they say GIGO.

 

[Nimrod]

And college coaches couldn't care less about GC stats.

Hypothetical - A college coach has a camp, or attends a camp with other coaches, and sees a handful of players that look pretty good in batting practice and a few fielding drills. Coach decides to do a little research, looks at GC and sees that a girl plays on an average travel team and is batting 7th and hitting .158, about .200 points below the team average. Do you think that would affect how a coach viewed a player? It would me.

Or even high school stats, which are notoriously inaccurate. Wouldn't a coach be disappointed to find that a girl who smacked 5 balls over the fence at a camp is 10-for-50 with 10 strikeouts and 1 home run for her high school team?

If I were a college coach, I wouldn't be overly impressed with great stats, but I'd be concerned about poor stats.

 

[Chris8]

No. At least the smart ones don't. They are well aware of the fact that the data is only as good as the person inputting it so they take GC stats with a grain of salt.

Now if they know and trust the person doing GC coaches will pay attention but those are few and far between as it seems like the person usually most eager to do GC is one that doesn't know crap.

And college coaches couldn't care less about GC stats.

Now if they know and trust the person doing GC coaches will pay attention but those are few and far between

I was blessed with one of these....and consistent with how game was scored which made using it from a coaches perspective useful....

However I had the person usually most eager to do GC is one that doesn't know crap. And She was peeved when I took GC away from her. Everything was a hit. Nothing was an error etc...

 

[Chris8]

Just curious. Do coaches and program managers review stats in game changer and use them for anything? If a girl is trying out for a team does anyone review the stats? Colleges?

My DD is on a pretty solid 14U team. A parent does our game changer and I noticed this spring that he was assigning errors to my DD (@ 1st) for impossible plays and bad throws to her. In one game at the end of the summer he assigned her *3* errors but when the same "error" happened up the 3rd base line, it was magically no longer an error (they are not particularly friendly with the 3rd baseman's parents and the girls are not particularly friendly). After this game I sent this parent an email about it and he emailed me back CCing the coach (who said nothing).

At first I thought it was my bias so started keeping an eye on it and noticed he mostly does it when his DD is pitching (protecting her ERA?) and is reluctant to assign his DD the fielding errors he passes out so freely to the other girls. I mentioned it to DH who said he noticed it for some time now but who cares? Just curious if I should care or not. TIA

Probably is a bias on the GC person.

I was asked to do GC for DD's team this year. I've always used it from the coaches standpoint...not the scorekeeper. One challenge I discovered was how to properly assign the error. For instance GB to 3B...good throw...1B drops ball out of glove. If you put ROE...and the ball hit to 3B...GC gives a error to the 3B (which is incorrect). If you give it to 1b it records ball hit to 1B...which wasn't the case. Still learning how to use GC and score those situations properly.

When I started reading your post I thought of this and giving the benefit of the doubt to the scorekeeper but after reading through...there probably is some book cooking.

 

[uncdrew]

I do GC for most every team I'm involved with. I do give my daughters errors and my pitching daughter is tagged with Wild Pitches when they are in fact wild pitches. I usually have no problem scoring a game, and in the rare cases I don't know the call, either err on the side of our team or ask parents around me.

Sometimes I wonder if parents question my calls, but most of them know the game pretty well and are quick to admit their DD messed up.

As far as 1B, those seem a bit easier to me. If the throw to first hits the ground (and isn't picked), error on the throw. If the first baseman could have/should have caught the throw, error on 1B.

 

[uncdrew]

As far as GC stats, a few might be hard to ignore. Strikeouts (for batters) and walks (for pitchers). Even the worst scorer doesn't get those wrong. Unless they are purposefully altering facts, I suppose.

 

[Lance Steckler]

GC will assign the error to whomever you tell it to. in examples above, ball hit to 3b, crap throw, you assign the error to 3B. BUT a dropped perfect throw, you do ROE and assign error to E3.

Gamechanger has very powerful tools in it for stats. But beware of the GIGO. Garbage In...Garbage Out.

and I've seen it for years on High School reported stats. I've sat thru multiple games watched errors occur that were not charged or charged to the incorrect person to make certain 'coach's angels" never have any errors. I personally watched a HS varsity 3b, drop 3 foul balls and have 2 throwing errors in 1 game. None were reported to the league stats for any of those 5 errors.

The best one is the 'agreement' that any flyball to the outfield that requires more than X steps, if not caught, is a hit. regardless of normal effort, routine play, etc.

And that's why college coaches look at all stats with a jaded eye.