No, not when a batter is standing in the box relaxed.. Its the pre-pitch actions that allow him to move into a leveraged fyb.
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No, not when a batter is standing in the box relaxed.. Its the pre-pitch actions that allow him to move into a leveraged fyb.
TDS, not questioning you, just trying to understand. Can you please elaborate on what the actions are when they occur.. is it when the hitter is "dancing" with the pitcher? IMO.. there are many ways to get into a leveraged FYB. There are some absolutes as well.. not arguing that
Yes his chest moves. But what I’m saying is the legs/hips and arms are doing that. You don’t bend over more to get to a lower pitch. You stay tall. You get into the legs more. Flex the hips more. There shouldn’t be a thought to bend more or less. Posture is preset at foot down. Look at the Sierra gif. The adjustment is all legs.
the angle set at foot down is being maintained as best as possible. The before mentioned parts are making the adjustments, not the torso. They react and forward bend or side bend is the adjustment after launch. You don’t see that? It’s a functional thing im debating. The torso doesn’t do it.
The torso supplies rotation at that moment in time. As far as being ‘active’ , the before mentioned parts make the adjustments.
the thought is not to go ‘down’ with posture to go get a low pitch. The arms will extend for that. That’s my contention. Your still chopping down as well.
I believe Mike is saying the same thing here. Tilt is not a thing they work on at all. It just happens bc of the sequencing, spacing and posture before hand.
are we on the same page now?
Yes, but there is a lot going on that needs to be done correctly to move out into a fyb leveraged hitting position.. This is when the core becomes engaged and allows the legs to be the supporters and not the drivers.....
If not done correctly and one just waggles the body and bat with no purpose the chances of getting into a good position are not good....
Trout owns his pre-pitch action which allows him to get into a good position for every pitch.
Have you ever moved out on the pitch and recognized its off-speed and realized your only chance to hit it was to lunge at the ball?
One question, are we only looking at the videos you supplied? I've posted both Romero and Trout at foot down.. posture is not the same, the angle of the shoulders are different because the angle at the waist is different, as a result of pitch location. Hitters most certainly bend over to get to a lower pitch, the angle is more obtuse at the waist on higher pitches. Yes posture is set at heel plant, but it's not always the same posture.. its depends on where the ball is being pitched. I don't understand why you would argue this.. see pics below
I've already told you, I am not interested in what makes the waist bend.. legs, hips, butt, core, etc They are all involved. I'd imagine glutes and hams are the most important here.. that's what I feel when doing hip extensions at the gym anyway.
And why are we looking at this one swing at a time.. you need side by side with different pitch locations to see how posture is created at heel plant.
Low pitch High Pitch
Low Pitch High Pitch
All these postures are creating space for the hands.. in the right plane.. all different postures at heel plant
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I can stand tall(straight back and no bend in my knees), with the bat on my shoulders, completely relaxed and achieve the ideal FYB position. All that matters is during the negative to positive move all the way to toe touch/heel plant I am doing things right. What happens prior to that(the gather) has 0 affect on me getting to FYBYes, but there is a lot going on that needs to be done correctly to move out into a fyb leveraged hitting position.. This is when the core becomes engaged and allows the legs to be the supporters and not the drivers.....
If not done correctly and one just waggles the body and bat with no purpose the chances of getting into a good position are not good....
Trout owns his pre-pitch action which allows him to get into a good position for every pitch.
Have you ever moved out on the pitch and recognized its off-speed and realized your only chance to hit it was to lunge at the ball?
And yes I have and I guarantee you every hitter on the planet has
when you say they bend over. They don’t. Other parts do it. That’s all we disagree on. The functional part. Stay tall is the cue not bend over to go get it. Yes they get bent over but not with the chest.I already explained what does it.
It’s the same as saying there is functional lateral tilt etc. there isn’t a functional forward bend. It’s a result. Yes we are seeing the same things. Just don’t agree on how to produce them I guess. No biggie.
W nobody bends at the waist using the chest. The chest and shoulders are what we use as measuring points. Put a level on a board, tilt the board, the level changes. The chest and shoulders are the level.., the waist is where the bending/tilting happens. And how does a person bend at the waist without functionally bending at the waist? Again you can tell me that the hitters belly button causes the waist to bend.. IDC, I'm not arguing that. The fact of the matter is, there is bending at the waist, and the angle at which it bends depends on pitch location which happens at heel plant or shortly after. The hitter is not trying to stand tall on a low pitch.. I've posted proof the backs that up.. side by side comparison. IDK, really puzzled with your stance on this. IMO Down to falls apart if you don't adjust posture with pitch location.
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I know the Trout clip isn’t his normal swing on low pitches. He killed Felix Hernandez because he pitched at the knees, right where Trout’s posture/swing plane is set.
Can’t say this was her normal swing at a low pitch.
