"Let it get deep.. (spawned from the Haley Thread in Practical Hitting)

[DRDRODD]

Letting the ball get deeper isn't a bad queue based on the movement pattern being used.. ABAF pattern has a timing window for one speed and limits your zone due to the hands arms and body swinging together.. Add in not wanting to get jammed folks will start there abaf pattern earlier.

What do you believe is the culprit for the all together swing? Would that be due to improper weight shift IYO?


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[BigSkyHi]

Letting the ball get deeper isn't a bad queue based on the movement pattern being used.. ABAF pattern has a timing window for one speed and limits your zone due to the hands arms and body swinging together.. Add in not wanting to get jammed folks will start there abaf pattern earlier.

Confused here also. Just what is being worked on here? Edit: Is this swing the finished product?

 

[DRDRODD]

Fix the load/stride sequence to start with. ABAF hitters don’t use the Kinetic chain properly. They overload the backside getting too much weight over the back foot. Couple options when this happens: they either stand up during the stride (bad posture) due to energy being sent up the body too early, they stay back and reach with front foot and then shift forward during the swing, or they shift COM too far forward which encourages a push/steep plane. Girls can all have success doing any of the above. Just not ideal imo.
Drills: coil drill: feet at a 45 degree angle, rotate back getting weight into back butt check and turning belt buckle toward catcher some. Stride maintaining this coil (belt buckle doesn’t open early) and hit.
Feet together Justin Stone Drill: focus is anchoring the scap and controlling the stride with the rear leg (tempo)
Stride Ahead to stay behind drill: front foot even with ball on tee, stride passed the ball and swing with focus on head going rearward. Those that chase or leak forward will struggle doing this drill and it’s only for them. Focus is to stay behind the ball and rotating the torso form behind the ball.
Do I pass my test?

I’m not sure I’m following the “Stride Ahead to Stay Behind Drill”. Do you actually want the head to go rearward or is it more of the hips going forward and the head stays in place? Like Elkins below?

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[Cornbread]

Gotcha DR. I’m by no means an expert. I’ve got a lot of experience coaching hitters on the high school level and below. My 12U DD has some bat drag but she still hammers the ball lol!
I do focus on the backside. That’s where both my anchors are, the scap load and the rear foot. That’s how I try to provide the FYB feel. I think the front side is important as well. To me, the front leg has to attach to the ground, firm up and stabilize the body. I think heel plant needs to be aggressive and shoot energy rearwards. The torso is what turns the body. Not hips, not legs, and certainly not shoulders.
If the body rotates on axis and is sequenced properly, lateral tilt takes care of itself. I think the backside controls the front side as far as the upper body is concerned.

I’m not sure I’m following the “Stride Ahead to Stay Behind Drill”. Do you actually want the head to go rearward or is it more of the hips going forward and the head stays in place? Like Elkins below?

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notice the head working rearward, when players focus on getting the head to work like this it helps to prevent the head/shoulders/torso from leaking forward after foot down

 

[DRDRODD]

Gotcha DR. I’m by no means an expert. I’ve got a lot of experience coaching hitters on the high school level and below. My 12U DD has some bat drag but she still hammers the ball lol!
I do focus on the backside. That’s where both my anchors are, the scap load and the rear foot. That’s how I try to provide the FYB feel. I think the front side is important as well. To me, the front leg has to attach to the ground, firm up and stabilize the body. I think heel plant needs to be aggressive and shoot energy rearwards. The torso is what turns the body. Not hips, not legs, and certainly not shoulders.
If the body rotates on axis and is sequenced properly, lateral tilt takes care of itself. I think the backside controls the front side as far as the upper body is concerned.

notice the head working rearward, when players focus on getting the head to work like this it helps to prevent the head/shoulders/torso from leaking forward after foot down

I gotcha CB, none of us are experts lol...... I view Lexie’s head going rearward as a result and not a forced action. IMO it is a result of creating space. Her hands hands had to get more crossbody than she was probably expecting. Basically she allowed the ball to get a touch to deep....

I have seen a couple of Justin Stone’s videos where he talks about anchoring the Scap. Is he referring to a full out retraction during the move out or is it more of just getting the slack out? IMO I believe the slack should be removed and the engine will actually anchor it. I feel that anchoring it before launch could possibly just someone stuck by actively holding it back. Notice how the scap reacts to the engine.

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[TDS]

What do you believe is the culprit for the all together swing? Would that be due to improper weight shift IYO?


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Could be many things... I see it as folks shifting there weight back and then shifting it all forward to swing.. Many folks feel the need to see the ball before moving vs moving in anticipation of the ball being delivered..

 

[radness]

Was pointing out poopy results,
because it was an eyesore

Whatever everyone likes
Whatever everyone believes
In your own words....
How would you'all FIX THIS

... i am utilizing humor in saying
Do something different!!!
Change the entire thing
Or
One or two things
But please make better contact!

 

[DRDRODD]

Could be many things... I see it as folks shifting there weight back and then shifting it all forward to swing.. Many folks feel the need to see the ball before moving vs moving in anticipation of the ball being delivered..

I understand that is the overall movement pattern but what do you believe is the cause for them to go all forward?

I find that hitters who are in this pattern shorten/compress their front side during the leg kick or sometime during the stride and never really let it go or lengthen it out. Have you ever seen a hitter with upside down shoulders suffer from this pattern? When the rear shoulder is higher than the front shoulder during the move out. I believe this is what you write about often. That the lead side oblique never gets released? Do you know what effects this has on the lead leg/hip?


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[Cornbread]

I gotcha CB, none of us are experts lol...... I view Lexie’s head going rearward as a result and not a forced action. IMO it is a result of creating space. Her hands hands had to get more crossbody than she was probably expecting. Basically she allowed the ball to get a touch to deep....

I have seen a couple of Justin Stone’s videos where he talks about anchoring the Scap. Is he referring to a full out retraction during the move out or is it more of just getting the slack out? IMO I believe the slack should be removed and the engine will actually anchor it. I feel that anchoring it before launch could possibly just someone stuck by actively holding it back. Notice how the scap reacts to the engine.

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Pujols doesn’t have much forward advancement. Pujols is strong and probably not very flexible. His scap is bigger than my DDs and will require less to retract it. Bigger muscles means less slack to get out. More flexibility and smaller muscles means more slack to get out. I don’t think the scap has to pinch all the way to the spine but it needs some resistance to allow the swing to sequence correctly. Without some scap retraction you will get the shoulders firing early causing a longer swing path. The rear elbow/hands will not slot tight to the body which will mean slower rotational speed.

 

[lhowser]

I've heard the phrase "let it get deep" and I thought to myself ('self...can a person really judge something coming at them 55 mph and say - "I think I will let this get 6 inches deeper!"). That's when I determined "letting it get deep" really equals holding the hinge angle on the top hand rather than snapping that top wrist.