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I feel like we are/were not looking at the same thing at all. Its not for a move out or forward. Not sure where you got that from. When I say hip extension I mean the definition of hip extension that everyone uses. Not some other movement misinterpeted as hip extension.
Watch this video. This is hip extension isolated about as much as you can isolate it as a movement on your feet.
Edit for Synopsis: she's using her hips to swing her torso to swing whatever is in her hands.
OK cool, and this is going to be my last post wrt the subject, as regardless of reason(s), we appear to be seeing two completely different things when it comes to Freeman's swing that's been the only real point of contention, or differences of opinion wrt anything that's been said up to this point.
Yes, we've both agreed that "extension" (anatomically speaking) is the increasing of the angle of the joint, and that "flexion" is the decreasing of the angle...I'll not hyperlink you to those posts of agreement so as not to show any "condescension" in this post for Mr. Pitter Patter's sake...lol.
That said, I also agree that the kettlebell swinger you show here is showing dual hip extension when performing the swinging of the kettlebell from between her legs to as for forward and up as her arms and strength of swing will let her take it...
I see her projecting both her hips into the sagittal plane simultaneously, and as a result, increasing the angle in her hip joints bilaterally, and the resulting dual "hip extension" noted.
I still do not however, believe that Freddie is doing the same movement, and thusly is not showing dual hip extension when performing the swinging of the baseball bat....
I see him projecting his rear hip forward while simultaneously his lead hip is being pushed back rearward by the lead leg. As a result, the angle in his rear hip joint is increasing, while the angle on his lead hip joint is decreasing, and thusly, his hip joints are moving in opposite directions unilaterally, with one is "extending" while the other is "flexing" (the creases in his pant tell the story also...IMO).
This is also what I actually feel when placing my hands on the respective joints when emulating what I see both the kettlebell swinger and Freddie doing respectively, one with the same bilateral hip movement in the former and a unilateral movement difference in the latter, and why I believe what I believe.
So that's pretty much it. If you look at these two clips side-by-side...
...and believe that each is doing the same thing(s) with their hips respectively, well that's your opinion, and I simply disagree with it for the reasons stated, and just have a difference of opinion wrt them.
Not trying to say or prove that you're wrong, and I'm right...just that we both seem to have differing opinions, and others are welcome to form their own opinions as well wrt the two clips, and hips movements seen within them (and no, I'm not looking for a poll as to who believes what; really not interested, just enjoyed having the convo with "Bones").
Nonetheless, thanks for the discussion, and hope we can have more like them in the future. But for now, I'm pretty much done with this one....said all I can say, and there just ain't no more.
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