Bat Path

[Mudders Brudder]

Do you have a video of this. I am not understanding directions. Highlighted above seem to contradict. twist vs towards and away. I tried and picture myself thrusting forward and back. is that what you mean?

i also am not sure what you mean by, 'just your belly button'. If you can show an example of this move it would be helpful.

Thanks for clarifying.


EDIT: or are you also standing sideways to the mirror? if so still same questions as above. thanks.

My bad....

"Stand in front of [and facing] a mirror so you can watch your belly button...."

This is the movement(s) that was attempted at being described earlier....

...with the exception of "...your arm/hands just hanging at your sides" instead of out in front you of as you see above.

Hope that helps.

 

[RichK]

You mean like all of these swings where the hitters are simply using their "obliques (core)" to just drag their rear hip forward, and not get any use out of it and/or their legs....

...and thus have no "RHE"? Kind of like was stated here some time ago already...


As opposed to hitters who actually get down into their legs, and use their rear hip extension to get things going to drive the ball....

...and thus the "RHE" is there, and quite notable.

And yes, the "hips" are reactive, just not to the obliques (core). In fact, it's you whose made them as a non-reactive "effect" of what you believe the obliques (core) are doing to them.......as to what would then be the "cause" of their movement in your scenario.

Oh well.... I guess I can just hope others are able to see, and "feel" the differences in descriptions that go with and/or match the various clips above (ones with RHE, and the ones above them without it).

Btw, all of the clips here are ones you've recently provided, and untouched by myself...if anyone was thinking I was hand/cherry picking clips to suit my needs or descriptions...I was not, don't need to, they speak for themselves. But I will add just one more here for those still pondering the differences, and ask one last question....

...how is Pena able to rotate his hips like that, if he's not even started to swing the bat or contract his obliques (core) to start "pulling" on them to get them to rotate? Hmm, what other body part(s) might be responsible for that moving/turning of the PG ("hips")....that's subsequently "stretching" the obliques (core) against the "resisting" hands/shoulders at that moment in the process/"sequence"?

Mud, you mean you don't believe in the power of the 'core pulse'?

 

[fanboi22]

Hope that helps.

ok thanks. that helps. I just dont think i am good with body part awareness. when you say to only use your 'legs', what muscles should i be trying to activate. And when you say belly button, same question.

What you may be getting me to realize is more specific than what i was probably saying/thinking. However, maybe my larger question is separating the quads, glutes, hammies from 'all the rest.'. If i say that i dont feel these QGH muscles in my swing, is that a 'valid' comment?

Since IMO there isn't any 'forceful drive' from the rear leg, if you fired those muscles against an unleveraged position, they wouldn't do anything. Just tense up.

So if i disregard the oblique, core, PG, conversation. Can i just ask, as people have compared this to clean and jerk weightlifting, how is the rear leg a source of power if it is not leveraged against the ground? Or are you saying there is a downward force being applied to the ground from the rear leg?

 

[james27503]

My bad....

"Stand in front of [and facing] a mirror so you can watch your belly button...."

This is the movement(s) that was attempted at being described earlier....

...with the exception of "...your arm/hands just hanging at your sides" instead of out in front you of as you see above.

Hope that helps.

This is almost totally a core movement and not a leg drive movement. . In each turn you see the leg acts lastly as the core is pulling it at the very end.

If you see it differently, please explain.

 

[julray]

Personally at launch I feel;

• some rear hip extension(even if I anchor my back foot, my rear hip still extends). I don't have to worry about humping the goat if I maintain posture
• rear oblique compression
• front oblique stretching/lengthening
• in my glutes.. both cheeks
• across my core etc

I feel this all the way to contact.. including hip extension.

I believe the combination of all these muscles to be powerful.. why does it have to one or the other?

 

[Cornbread]

Hip rotation will increase/decrease based on pitch location. Inside the front hip has to clear more to allow a hand path to the ball. Outside the hips don’t have to clear as much due to the hands having an unobstructed path.

The only time I teach hips is on inside pitches. I want the front hip to go backwards (clear around the body) on inside pitches while still trying to go middle.

 

[julray]

Hip rotation will increase/decrease based on pitch location. Inside the front hip has to clear more to allow a hand path to the ball. Outside the hips don’t have to clear as much due to the hands having an unobstructed path.

The only time I teach hips is on inside pitches. I want the front hip to go backwards (clear around the body) on inside pitches while still trying to go middle.

Maintaining posture will clear space for the hands on an inside pitch... if you don't maintain it you will end up pushing the barrel and creating length.. both things you don't want to do

 

[james27503]

Personally at launch I feel;

• some rear hip extension(even if I anchor my back foot, my rear hip still extends). I don't have to worry about humping the goat if I maintain posture
• rear oblique compression
• front oblique stretching/lengthening
• in my glutes.. both cheeks
• across my core etc

I feel this all the way to contact.. including hip extension.

I believe the combination of all these muscles to be powerful.. why does it have to one or the other?

One thing that I feel especially now that I have gotten older is a stretch in the rear hamstring. That hamstring is getting stretched feeling is almost the same feeling as when I do straight leg (Romanian) dead lifts. Which is another reason I know the core is pulling and stretching the legs.

 

[fanboi22]

Personally at launch I feel;

• some rear hip extension(even if I anchor my back foot, my rear hip still extends). I don't have to worry about humping the goat if I maintain posture
• rear oblique compression
• front oblique stretching/lengthening
• in my glutes.. both cheeks
• across my core etc

I feel this all the way to contact.. including hip extension.

I believe the combination of all these muscles to be powerful.. why does it have to one or the other?

For me it only matters as a means to teach DD. I am just trying to find the way to describe it to her.

 

[Work=wins]