Just when you think you couldn't be more confused.....

[Work=wins]

If you follow models from most internet gurus then you are unloading the barrel or ‘getting behind the ball deep’ with ‘speed deep’. Which makes ‘ON TOP’ a head scratcher.

The new MLB model is go big or go home.


"We start with extreme ttb with the barrel head pointing at the pitcher. Maybe 4 or 5 tee swings. "

These are not full speed tee drills. Maybe 70%. More feel and exploration. There is a gif of a college aged player doing this quite impressively. Fun to watch if somebody (rdb) could post it. Girls hands and wrist simply are not generally strong enough to crank the barrel around as TM demonstrates. They will drop their hands and go under the ball. When doing tee work be sure to put the tee up high.

Two extremes: think Gary Sheffield and George Brett. Both successful. Most girls would benefit from emulating Brett more than Sheffield.

Let me throw this monkey wrench into the discussion. One legged hitters are going to TTB earlier and more aggressively hitting the ball deeper in the zone and two legged hitters more passively and later hitting the ball out in front more often. The reason I say often is you can find the same batter hitting off their back leg one day and using both legs the next day. Hitting a ball moving 95 mph or 75 mph causes all kinds of adjustment in real time. I am a Angels fan so I see Mike Trout (poetry in motion) and Andrelton Simmons (not so pretty but effective)

Actually. There are young girls demoing the ‘unload’ TTB model. The result was a stalled back elbow to keep the barrel ‘up’. I’m sure you’ve seen them. So that’s not correct.

The truth is the barrel needs support through the swing to stay on plane. In the pro model that would be the back elbow. In the ‘internet’ model that would be a stuck elbow against the rib cage or you have the option of tilting/contorting your body to plane the pitch. Either way its what is needed to not dump the barrel under the ball and have ‘some’ control of the barrel.

Hey look we both learned something.

 

[fanboi22]

First off, Mud has been a great resource for me over the years. I have learned a great deal from him and have incorporated a number of his thoughts in my DD's swing. In regards to your questions...

hand speed vs barrel speed --- barrel speed will be faster than hand speed because of the kinetic chain.
pivot, etc. --- this gets confusing... But I promote early bat speed, meaning that the acceleration is going to start while the barrel is still moving rearward. I do not want to wait until the barrel turns the corner and then try to accelerate it. The sooner I can begin the acceleration, the faster the overall speed is going to be. And the faster your barrel speed, the more time you have available to wait prior to commitment. Speed is good, as long as it is controlled.

thanks for the reply.

RE: Pivot - Would you say a neck slot swing like Brett is less optimal because there wouldn't be the ability to get the barrel up to speed faster? i think i saw a twitter post that time to contact was the same, but i just can't seem to picture how that is. I see it like someone being allowed to start ten meters back in a sprint and have a running start, and the other in the blocks and the race starts when they are both at the line. The person with the running start is already up to speed and the person in the blocks has a disadvantage.

I suppose this goes back to the question on the definition of TTB. Is TTB the action before getting on plane, or like a neck slot swing being already on plane and the action from neck thru to contact. Like a vehicle, you turn the vehicle until you are pointed the direction you want. So TTB would be the time until you get on plane? And if that is the case, then theoretically you cannot TTB with a neck slot swing?

semantics at this point, as i guess just getting on plane at the earliest point with as much velocity as possible is the key. whatever we call it is irrelevant.

 

[Rolling Hard]

Edit: which would just create a timing variable.

THis one

 

[Work=wins]

THis one

Yes definitely 2 legs. Balanced.

 

[2br02b]

 

[TDS]

Arod, on the right isn't pushing he's whipping.. Both swings he's whipping the barrel down. The down and around you see on the right is a feel he wants as a reminder to whip (throw) the barrel down towards the ball. Add a moving ball with the correct posture and the feel becomes real.

 

[_MIA_]

Arod, on the right isn't pushing he's whipping.. Both swings he's whipping the barrel down. The down and around you see on the right is a feel he wants as a reminder to whip (throw) the barrel down towards the ball. Add a moving ball with the correct posture and the feel becomes real.

So what would a push demo look like IYO if that isn't a push? Not trying to be difficult, honest question.

 

[TDS]

So what would a push demo look like IYO if that isn't a push? Not trying to be difficult, honest question.

Is he not whipping the barrel down ?

Guy splitting wood (not chopping) is whipping the splitter.

 

[_MIA_]

Is he not whipping the barrel down ?

Guy splitting wood (not chopping) is whipping the splitter.

You didn't answer my question..it was a serious one. So somebody who doesn't "release" the barrel at all would be pushing?

 

[TDS]

You didn't answer my question..it was a serious one. So somebody who doesn't "release" the barrel at all would be pushing?

A push is when the hands aren't being pulled.