Swing Plane and upright position at contact

[TDS]

julray, the barrel is released behind you which should allow for the scap to be engaged.. The release also allows for hitters to balance out the the forward momentum which prevents the weight from transferring across the pelvis to the front leg.

 

[julray]

julray, the barrel is released behind you which should allow for the scap to be engaged.. The release also allows for hitters to balance out the the forward momentum which prevents the weight from transferring across the pelvis to the front leg.

Isn't the scap engaged/pinched way before the barrel is released

 

[tjintx]

I'm curious what you think the role of the front side scap is during this action? (hitter's left side in this gif)

Hmm...That's a good question. Front side Lat/scap should be supporting that front arm action. Some might even say that's where the focus will go at some point in a hitter's progression when the hitter is searching for a feel in there "forearms".... Or at least it should... Some might call it shoulder bypass....

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Lead forearm pronating causes the blur along with rear forearm supinating. Yes, the bottom hand pulls the knob straight up.

Truth be told, there is a force couple.

When the bottom hand pulls the knob, the barrel responds .... instantly.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

I'm curious what you think the role of the front side scap is during this action? (hitter's left side in this gif)

Do you really think this crowd is ready for that discussion ?

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Obviously I don't have the knowledge to participate in this debate, LOL.. However in interest of instructing my DD the proper way to rotate the barrel I need clarification. I am not seeing the bottom hand pulling the barrel straight up. Looks to me like the knob is on a downward and forward path, not upward and forward. I'm just basing this on what I see in the gif, not knowledge of what supposed to happen.

Same thing here if I look at Donaldson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVWRXll0_X0

Same as Batista
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm7GFYVubSE

and Pujois
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVZNFaFOQU4

What I don't understand is how they get that rearward arc to occur so deep when pulling the knob forward

The bottom hand does not pull the knob straight up ..... the bottom hand flattens to the swing plane, and the pronation involved in the bottom hand flattening is what I believe butter means by 'straight up' ... but it is indeed not 'straight up'.

See if you can see the bottom hand become flattened to the swing plane early on in this swing ....

 

[julray]

The bottom hand does not pulls the knob straight up ..... the bottom hand flattens to the swing plane, and the pronation involved in the bottom hand flattening is what I believe butter means by 'straight up' ... but it is indeed not 'straight up'.

Flattens like this guy demonstrates at 59 secs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkx7_-PUKz4

I believe this is something that can teach my daughter with more success... palm up palm down right away before the hands progress forward. I think that cue work work better than "turn the barrel", "oar lock", "swivel" etc.

 

[TDS]

Isn't the scap engaged/pinched way before the barrel is released

The barrel released is what causes the pull back/scap reaction. The release is what sets up the change in direction of the barrel from behind to forward.

 

[tjintx]

Flat in relation to the angle of the hitter's torso. In the video bobby is standing up straight and Yes He flattens in relation to His torso which is also flat to the ground because He is not tilted in His demo.
BUT, Barry's lead arm/hand gets flats in relation to his torso angle which is tilted forward at his pelvis so His hands don't get flat in relation to the ground....

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Flat in relation to the angle of the hitter's torso. In the video bobby is standing up straight and Yes He flattens in relation to His torso which is also flat to the ground because He is not tilted in His demo.
BUT, Barry's lead arm/hand gets flats in relation to his torso angle which is tilted forward at his pelvis so His hands don't get flat in relation to the ground....

Thank you.

I view the early bottom-hand and lead-arm action as one of finding the ball height.

Obviously that is going to get the bat head moving ... and the bat head needs to be supported, or else the barrel will dump or be out of control ... and hence the importance of the top-hand path. Having the rear-arm begin to come through towards an upright-vee (slot) provides a great deal of control. A good top-hand path provides support for a rotating bat head.