Turn the barrel???

[jbooth]

Speaking of Upton the act of turning his rear leg upper portion towards the pitcher is that IR or adduction I am not as gifted or knowedgable as some in this area, to me it seems like adduction but I do not really know, I agree with eversion and stress it to my players when building the foundation.

Here's a bio-mechanics lesson on the rear leg for you.



Here is the muscles and bone movement that I describe in the video above;

When you do the above muscle action while weight is on that leg, the torso moves forward, the leg doesn't move out.

When you do the above muscle action with weight on that leg, the torso twists out externally (to the left), the leg/foot doesn't turn. This is the muscle action that the rear leg, one legged golfer uses to turn his torso.

 

[jbooth]

Speaking of Upton the act of turning his rear leg upper portion towards the pitcher is that IR or adduction I am not as gifted or knowedgable as some in this area, to me it seems like adduction but I do not really know, I agree with eversion and stress it to my players when building the foundation.

Here's another way to explain it.

 

[Howe]

SL, you read over at BBD yes? Did you catch this one? Might be of interest to you here:
Coil Forward Experiment at BBD

Especially the "extra fun" things to try at the end.

Cheers,
NoonTime

Nice post sir.

 

[straightleg]

SL, you read over at BBD yes? Did you catch this one? Might be of interest to you here:
Coil Forward Experiment at BBD

Especially the "extra fun" things to try at the end.

Cheers,
NoonTime

Thanks noon
Will check it out.


SL

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

It just shows how clueless almost all of you are. I have less weight on my heel than him. I push off of the ball of the foot. He is pushing off the inside of his foot. Therefore, my heel comes up more than his. You don't see "The Move" movement in my foot because I get off the heel more. But, the muscle and bone actions are essentially the same. Force is being applied at the ball of my foot, in the direction of the catcher. My heel is lifting, but not turning in a squishing movement, or IR at the foot. My heel lifts more than his as the back knee kicks forward. That doesn't mean I'm not pushing to heel plant differently than him.

JB, the transition between these two frames is very different. To state that they are bio-mechanically the same is to state that another means of describing the swing is in order.

 

[go4um]

Doesn't rear heel on the ground severely limit the ability to fully IR...which is a good thing during stride into front foot touch so the hitter can "forward by coil" using ER while reading the pitch?

Then when the pitch is read and the hitter is going to launch..doesn't the rear heel lift to allow IR and hips to lead the hands ?

So wouldn't the hitter on the left and the bonds swing be pretty effective if the hitter had committed to pulling an inside pitch and the hitter on the right be effective if they hadn't yet committed to fully IR and pulling?

Having said that, I try to get my hitters to look somewhat similar to the hitter on right going into front foot touch since it promotes later commitment, better adjustability and stay inside the ball mechanics.

 

[mann]

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Is the wrist action in the top gif what Hi believes in?
Five, since you did not like the video I asked you about, is this girl your model of turning the barrel?

Does not seem to be a fair battle, one post video of their OWN swing to demonstrate, and then others post major league hitters, and not a bad swing, or a mistimed swing, but one of their great swings, to show how horrible they are.

I can guarantee , that few could come even close, to a high level pattern, with their own swing.


WE SHOULD ALL, post our swings, to re ground ourselves again.

The ones that are the most critical , should think hard about this.

 

[Eric F]

Is the wrist action in the top gif what Hi believes in?
Five, since you did not like the video I asked you about, is this girl your model of turning the barrel?

Does not seem to be a fair battle, one post video of their OWN swing to demonstrate, and then others post major league hitters, and not a bad swing, or a mistimed swing, but one of their great swings, to show how horrible they are.

I can guarantee , that few could come even close, to a high level pattern, with their own swing.


WE SHOULD ALL, post our swings, to re ground ourselves again.

The ones that are the most critical , should think hard about this.

IIRC, jbooth put the still frames of his own swing next to Upton's as an example that he was matching the movements of a top hitter. It has since been picked apart. So far, jbooth is one of the few who has dared to expose himself.

 

[lhowser]

To an untrained eye, and anyone with very little knowledge of how the body moves, the two videos above look like the same move.

They are NOT. The pro player is NOT doing what the other two are doing.

I don't see much of a difference if you are referring to the upper body. Now the lower body is different but in context this looks like an isolated demonstration concerned about explaining an upper body move and not intended to be compared side by side in detail with a selected pro clip.

 

[RayR]

For those that thing these upper bodies are the same

player on right hands move as the shoulders laterally tilt - rear elbow moves as a result of the hands/wrists/forearms turning the barrel and the barrel tip moves quite a bit rearward

player on left hands don't move - shoulders don't tilt (rear shoulder still higher then front) as rear elbow slots on its own as the barrel tip actually moves forward.