back leg, front leg and hands

[jbooth]

Well Hyp...I am sure he believes that weight shifts before you swing, you know "Babe hits more home runs then Ichiro, because he pushes back harder." Well wait a minute...he says it is NOT shift then swing...so the weight has not shifted to the front leg...so you push back on a front leg before any weight is shifted to it? WAIT how is that done? Push with an unweighted leg?

Maybe some day, you'll figure out what I'm saying. You can joke and make fun all you want. You just don't get what I'm saying. I'm tired of trying to explain it. You are either misinterpreting my words, or you can't grasp the concept, or maybe both.

 

[jbooth]

wait wait Hyp...I've figured it out....you shift AND swing hitting the ball, and create power pushing back aft.....uh no no that doesn't work.


GEEZ Hyp, you just don't understand the kinetic chain, and I'm done explaining it to you.

You can joke all you wish.

You're right on one thing above; neither you nor HYP can seem to grasp what I'm saying. That's obvious.

 

[jbooth]

Do you believe that the weight shifts on the front leg before you swing? Trying to understand where you are coming from.

I don't think you'll ever understand where I'm coming from. I've explained it 10 different ways, and you still can't figure it out. I don't know why, other than quite often you make statements that show that you don't understand energy creation and/or flow.

 

[RayR]

I can't either....I feel as though I am good company, though....

You can joke all you wish.

You're right on one thing above; neither you nor HYP can seem to grasp what I'm saying. That's obvious.

 

[HYP]

I don't think you'll ever understand where I'm coming from. I've explained it 10 different ways, and you still can't figure it out. I don't know why, other than quite often you make statements that show that you don't understand energy creation and/or flow.

Simple question. Do you believe the weight shifts on the front leg before you swing? It is a YES or NO question.

 

[HYP]

I don't think you'll ever understand where I'm coming from. I've explained it 10 different ways, and you still can't figure it out. I don't know why, other than quite often you make statements that show that you don't understand energy creation and/or flow.

I understand exactly what you are saying. That is why I do not agree.

You are saying:

The rear hip is moving forward. The lead leg blocks/redirects that energy into rotational energy. The lead leg straightens forcing the lead hip back to complete rotation. The rotational energy of the hips is transferred to the torso as the hips decelerate, the torso speeds up. The torso is now transferring energy to the hands/bat. As the shoulders slow down, the hands/bat speed up. Am I close?

On the swing on the left, where is all of that rotational energy? Where is all of that angular momentum? I know where and I know where it happened and it aint around the spine.

Remember this clip that you posted?

And I said the angular momentum is created between pauses 1 and 2? Not between pauses 2 and 3? What you describe creates the momentum between pauses 2 and 3.

Between pause 1 and 2, which way are the hands moving? are they moving in an arc? Like a quarter circle? They move down and for ward with the rear shoulder. Like they are pivoting around the rear shoulder. Could that not create angular momentum? You are the expert as it pertains to creating energy and physics and angular momentum. If you understand what I am saying. You have the Angular momentum hands/back shoulder moving in a 1/4 arc. You have the mass (barrel), you will have velocity and radius or the separation between objects (hands/barrel).

I am sure you will let me know if you think I am ignorant or not and I very well could be. I am not a physics major. I just know what I see happening and where I think the energy is created.

Thanks for trying to explain things to me.

 

[Greenmonsters]

That's pretty accurate, except that the pole vault box, doesn't have the ability to add force, as the front leg does. The front leg lands bent and then straightens. That applies a force. Unlike the box that is stationary. To add it to your analogy, it would be like the vault box having a device in it that pushed it toward the vaulter, the instant that the pole contacted it. Now, you would have additional force at the bottom of the pole, which would cause it to bend more and give more spring to launch the vaulter.

The front leg lands bent and straightens, not to provide push back or finish rotation, but because the front leg has to incremently "catch" the forward and rotational momentum rather than take it all once - in much the same fashion as a clutch let out gradually versus it being released abruptly.

 

[mann]

In the video on the left, the outside pitch, it appears that he is just throwing his hands at the ball. Where did the ball go to? what was the count? was he just protecting the plate?
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The swing on the right, Where did it go?

 

[HYP]

In the video on the left, the outside pitch, it appears that he is just throwing his hands at the ball. Where did the ball go to? what was the count? was he just protecting the plate?
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The swing on the right, Where did it go?

Actually, he is throwing the barrel at the ball but I think you know that and just said hands by mistake.

I have no idea where the ball went. I don't know who made the gif. Weird that you want to know the count of this clip and none of the others.

Ever see the clip of Ramirez getting fooled horribly, only to leave the yard?

 

[jbooth]

Simple question. Do you believe the weight shifts on the front leg before you swing? It is a YES or NO question.

It's not a yes or no, because it depends on what YOU mean by swing.

The weight shifts to the front leg before the hands and back shoulder move toward the ball.

As shown below; he has shifted his weight to his front foot in the top left frame. Where are his hands, and when do they move toward the ball? After the shift and after he turns his hips. He says that in the notes below the picture.

In frame 1 he says his hips are opening. There are 3 frames prior to this in the book that are not shown here, where he says he took a stride. Look where his hands are. In frame 3 he says he makes the decision to swing. Look where his hands are in relation to how far his hips have rotated. The weight has been on his front foot since before frame 1. Not 100% of his weight. It is shifting to the front from before frame 1, through frame 4.

Which frame is where YOU define "swing" in your question to me? I say it is at frame 3, where he says he makes the decision to swing. At frame 3, he has weight on the front foot already, and the weight will continue onto that foot until contact.