College rule is a little different, but has similarities. In college the runner may attempt to advance after turning and heading back to 1st base as long as they have not retouched first base. But, if the runner turns and steps into fair territory beyond 1st baseling extended, they are considered to have committed to going to 2nd base, and if they step into foul territory beyond 1st baselin extended, they are considered to have committed to 1st base.
When does the look back rule take effect?
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Let's not. The LBR is not that hard and all the "what ifs" are not going to change the rule.
What is the differents in the college LBR and the ASA LBR. I don't understand how you can call the ASA player out and the college player not out via the LBR. What is the difference in the rule.
Stupid question. Does the player in the circle HAVE to be the pitcher for the LBR to take effect. For example, if the pitcher is out of position at the end of the play, can the ball be thrown to the SS who might be in the circle and then hand the ball to the pitcher.
Yep- it must be the pitcher who possesses the ball inside the circle.
Had that come up in a game a few years ago...Ball hit to outfield, throw comes in to F6. Runners all stop on their respective bases.
Instead of throwing the ball to the pitcher, F6 walked it over to the circle. Then, she just stood there, holding the ball, talking the pitcher (discussing strategy, giving her a pep talk, whatever).
The alert runners left their bases, inched forward, then advanced to the next base when it became obvious that no one was paying attention to them.
Defensive coach pleaded that "the ball was in the circle". Ummm...sorry, coach...that's not the way it works...
Had that come up in a game a few years ago...Ball hit to outfield, throw comes in to F6. Runners all stop on their respective bases.
Instead of throwing the ball to the pitcher, F6 walked it over to the circle. Then, she just stood there, holding the ball, talking the pitcher (discussing strategy, giving her a pep talk, whatever).
The alert runners left their bases, inched forward, then advanced to the next base when it became obvious that no one was paying attention to them.
Defensive coach pleaded that "the ball was in the circle". Ummm...sorry, coach...that's not the way it works...
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Rule8, Sect. 7T. (Fast Pitch) LOOK BACK RULE.
The “Look Back” rule shall be in effect for all runners when the ball is live,
the batter-runner has touched first base or has been declared out, and the
pitcher has possession and control of the ball within the pitcher’s circle. The
pitcher is considered to be in the pitcher’s circle when both feet are on or
within the lines.
1. When a runner is legitimately off a base after a pitch or as a result
of a batter completing a turn at bat, and while the pitcher has control
of the ball within the eight foot radius of the pitcher’s plate, the
runner may stop once, but then must immediately return to the
base or attempt to advance to the next base.
2. Once the runner stops at a base for any reason, the runner will
be declared out if leaving the base.
3. Responsibilities of the batter-runner after touching first base, and
while the pitcher has control of the ball within the eight foot radius
of the pitcher’s plate. This includes a base on balls or a dropped
third strike
EFFECT - Section 7-T (1-3): The ball is dead. “No pitch” is
declared when applicable, and the runner is out. When more
than one runner is off base, if one is called out, the ball is
dead and other runners are returned to the last base touched.
One runner only may be called out.
EXCEPTION: The runner will not be declared out if:
1. A play is made on any runner. A fake throw is considered a play,
2. The pitcher no longer has possession of the ball within the eight
foot radius, or
3. The pitcher releases the ball on a pitch to the batter.
The “Look Back” rule shall be in effect for all runners when the ball is live,
the batter-runner has touched first base or has been declared out, and the
pitcher has possession and control of the ball within the pitcher’s circle. The
pitcher is considered to be in the pitcher’s circle when both feet are on or
within the lines.
1. When a runner is legitimately off a base after a pitch or as a result
of a batter completing a turn at bat, and while the pitcher has control
of the ball within the eight foot radius of the pitcher’s plate, the
runner may stop once, but then must immediately return to the
base or attempt to advance to the next base.
2. Once the runner stops at a base for any reason, the runner will
be declared out if leaving the base.
3. Responsibilities of the batter-runner after touching first base, and
while the pitcher has control of the ball within the eight foot radius
of the pitcher’s plate. This includes a base on balls or a dropped
third strike
a. A batter-runner who rounds first base toward second base
may stop once, but then must immediately non-stop return to
first base or attempt to advance non-stop to second base.
may stop once, but then must immediately non-stop return to
first base or attempt to advance non-stop to second base.
b. A batter-runner who over-runs first base toward right field,
turns left and immediately stops, must then return non-stop to
first base or attempt to advance non-stop to second base.
turns left and immediately stops, must then return non-stop to
first base or attempt to advance non-stop to second base.
c. A batter-runner who over-runs first base toward right field,
turns left and moves directly toward second base and stops
is committed to second base and must attempt to advance
non-stop to second base.
turns left and moves directly toward second base and stops
is committed to second base and must attempt to advance
non-stop to second base.
d. A batter-runner who over-runs first base toward right field,
turns left and moves back toward the infield in any direction
except directly toward second base is committed to first base
and must return non-stop to first base.
turns left and moves back toward the infield in any direction
except directly toward second base is committed to first base
and must return non-stop to first base.
e. A batter-runner who over-runs first base toward right field,
and turns right, is committed to first base and must return
non-stop to first base.
and turns right, is committed to first base and must return
non-stop to first base.
EFFECT - Section 7-T (1-3): The ball is dead. “No pitch” is
declared when applicable, and the runner is out. When more
than one runner is off base, if one is called out, the ball is
dead and other runners are returned to the last base touched.
One runner only may be called out.
EXCEPTION: The runner will not be declared out if:
1. A play is made on any runner. A fake throw is considered a play,
2. The pitcher no longer has possession of the ball within the eight
foot radius, or
3. The pitcher releases the ball on a pitch to the batter.
wow...lost of confusion huh...
i know players who will get an infield hit..run past first...slowly jog back to first...glance at the 2nd baseman and SS to see if they are paying attention...then take off for 2nd and make it!! Yes..the pitcher has the ball in the circle and is also not paying attention!!
Legal or Not??
i know players who will get an infield hit..run past first...slowly jog back to first...glance at the 2nd baseman and SS to see if they are paying attention...then take off for 2nd and make it!! Yes..the pitcher has the ball in the circle and is also not paying attention!!
Legal or Not??
This part is a little confusing. It sounds like the runner can be off the base and stop before the pitcher has the ball, "legitimately off a base" (as is normal if not stealing), and start to advance to the next base during the throw back to the pitcher (delayed steal) and then "while the pitcher has control of the ball", be able to "stop once" and go back. But I'm pretty sure they would be called out if the pitcher did not atempt to make a play. Is this an often misinterpreted rule or am I just reading it wrong? I had a runner at 1st last year get called out, walking back toward first during the throw back to the pitcher, and turning around and walking backwards the last 2 steps. Ump said she stoped when she turned around, and the pitcher had the ball when she did.
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This had me laughing. I agree, let's not.
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