When does the batter start moving.

[mann]

Correct, this is not Don Slaught. The actual documentation that Don Slaught put out on his 'first move' is even worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWpNUMrI_jM

AT the 1:12 mark he does a great job of sequence. Not sure of what you are saying, But appears to have it down as with the hips torso hands.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Hows this? The batter will not move those hands to swing until they are going to swing for sure, then if they realize they made a wrong choice, they stop.

Now is it possible to start slower instead of full commitment? Such as Don Slaught suggests?

In other words, does the "twitch" change locations based on caution?
As an example a home run derby swing and a full count. or 0 and 2.

Mann, what do you mean by "based on caution"?

FYI, it is during the 'twitch' that the barrel seeks plane.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWpNUMrI_jM

AT the 1:12 mark he does a great job of sequence. Not sure of what you are saying, But appears to have it down as with the hips torso hands.

I am not following you here Mann ... Slaught is not discussing his theory of the "First Move" at this point.

 

[mann]

Mann, what do you mean by "based on caution"?

FYI, it is during the 'twitch' that the barrel seeks plane.

How about instead of "it is during the 'twitch' that the barrel seeks plane" "during the barrel seeking plane, the twitch happens"? Because the twitch is so much quicker than the plane seeking.

By cation i am saying that in the home run derby you can wait to go "twitch" from an earlier easy read, as opposed to 0 and 2 in a live game. you can slot lag longer before twitch.

 

[mann]

I am not following you here Mann ... Slaught is not discussing his theory of the "First Move" at this point.

Im not sure if hes right with the first move he talks about here, releases the hips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gWihxsj0iI

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

How about instead of "it is during the 'twitch' that the barrel seeks plane" "during the barrel seeking plane, the twitch happens"? Because the twitch is so much quicker than the plane seeking.

By cation i am saying that in the home run derby you can wait to go "twitch" from an earlier easy read, as opposed to 0 and 2 in a live game. you can slot lag longer before twitch.

Mann ... no ..... the 'twitch' has the torso-engine pulling on both the humerus of the rear arm and the humerus of the lead arm. It is during this 'pull' that one applies the 'short hands' mechanic described earlier ... and it is this action that has the lead arm 'finding the ball' ... i.e., put on plane.

I still am not following your usage of 'caution' ... whether dealing with 'slow head-on front toss' or 'full speed live pitching' the 'twitch' action is the same.

 

[Rolling Hard]

To me it isn't necessarily about being in a 'position' ... otherwise folks would simply start in 'that position' .... instead it is about gaining a 'feel' of being ready to use the torso and hands. I gain that 'feel' during my 'move out' and 'reading of the pitch'.

I watched some pgf games and saw a couple hitters once they got to 2 strikes, did start in that position(foot plant/ hips opening/ shoulders still slightly closed/ hands back/ barrel partial turned) and were successful with that approach. I practice this with my DD in the cage with pitching machine because I want her to feel relaxed and calm in that position. She hits the ball well. Sure, you give up some bat speed but she still can get it into the outfield. Does anyone remember Rod Carew's batting stance? I am surprised I don't see this approach more often. And no , I have never had her try it in a game. She doesn't get to 2 strikes to often.LOL I thinks it is a better approach than the set up bunt, pull back, swing that I see some teams employ.

 

[Rolling Hard]

Damn, I tuned out for a couple days and my post has 10 pages of good stuff. Thanks guys

 

[Rolling Hard]

RDB and the scap load. I think the scap loads/moves as a result of coil (elbow back) but it is really loading rear leg. The scap and the muscles around the scap are not a big source of power in and of themselves. Does that sound fair?

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

I watched some pgf games and saw a couple hitters once they got to 2 strikes, did start in that position(foot plant/ hips opening/ shoulders still slightly closed/ hands back/ barrel partial turned) and were successful with that approach. I practice this with my DD in the cage with pitching machine because I want her to feel relaxed and calm in that position. She hits the ball well. Sure, you give up some bat speed but she still can get it into the outfield. Does anyone remember Rod Carew's batting stance? I am surprised I don't see this approach more often. And no , I have never had her try it in a game. She doesn't get to 2 strikes to often.LOL I thinks it is a better approach than the set up bunt, pull back, swing that I see some teams employ.

There are multiple ways I use to deal with a two-strike situation ... but starting from a 'swing launch' position is not one of them ... nor will it be at any time in the future.