Cannonball
Ex "Expert"
- Feb 25, 2009
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To me this is just another game that people are playing. How many posters in this thread actually coach softball? I know Mike does and I've always respected him for that. However, no one posting on this thread has been to the private portion of Englishbey's site in some 3+ years. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Knowing that the majority of the video section of that site is less than 2 years old and knowing that a major body of content was added this past fall, no one other than MarkH has any clue as to exactly what Steve teaches. I took some time to get a direct quote from Paul Nyman so that we could know exactly what Paul said:
"PCRW IS is first and foremost a structural definition of what a high level swing is, i.e. defines those bodily actions and movements that result in a high-level swing. And "high-level" as I use it is defined as a swing that contains all the elements found in the best major-league baseball swings.
The benefit of using the term PCR(W), as with building codes, is that it refers to a very strict interpretation of what constitutes a high-level swing. This interpretation is based upon thousands (ten's of thousands) of hours of work on my part using tools such as physics, computer physics simulations, physiology, engineering control and feedback systems, motor learning and control, video analysis of all sorts, empirical results from working with hundreds of players at all levels (little league to major league) either directly or indirectly (Internet)." Paul Nyman
Therefore, anything that he or anyone well versed in that system MUST as per the definition meet the criteria of a this type of swing. I won't go as far as say MLB swing since it really is checkoffs with drills and not a teaching technique. I've always wonder if the misrepresentation of one individual and his continued attacks and as to what was taught has developed a myth of its own and continues to be perpetuated.
Paul goes on to say:
"And then there are those few who are convinced that PCR "instruction" doesn't work. Again, there is no such thing as PCR instruction. Either these individuals do not understand what PCRW is (a standard to judge a swing by) and/or that the "PCR" process they allegedly used to achieve what they think "PCR" is, didn't meet their expectations. How could it as there no such thing as PCR instruction.
In summary, PCRW is a structural definition of a high level swing. It identifies and explains those movements that result in a high level swing. I have developed a SETPRO instructional methodology (Rotational Hitting for Nominees and The SETPRO Instructor Swing Training Program) which is my approach to what a player needs to do to develop swing mechanics that meet the PCRW requirement.
In summary, most (if not all) of the discussion(s) that I see claiming the person's use or understanding of PCR are of little no value. Worse yet are those who claim that either they teach PCR or that tried PCR and it didn't work." Paul Nyman
I would go on to say that my impression is that Steve is trying to set up a site by attempting to teach members to "see" movement and understand the "reality" of the swing better--as defined by PCR and all that it stands for. (Steve, himself, has asserted that one does not teach PCR.) This then can potentially help a coach teach more effectively. Tom and Mike, I do appreciate the attempt at decent discussion where we all attempted to be civil. One last thought and I'll be done hijacking this thread yet again as this ridiculous set of attacks continues and seems destine to overtake every website on the Internet. This argument has become personal with some posters on every site. If your life is so tragic and pathetic that you must build your self esteem by attacking another of whom you know exaclty nothing about what is contained on their private website nor what they actually teach, then you need to seek help.
Marc, I'll now suspend myself for a week! I do appreciate this site. However, and as I pmed you, you will now have to take actions against all parties involved including me if you want a website that is actually beneficial to the majority of your members who could care less about these "hitting camps."
"PCRW IS is first and foremost a structural definition of what a high level swing is, i.e. defines those bodily actions and movements that result in a high-level swing. And "high-level" as I use it is defined as a swing that contains all the elements found in the best major-league baseball swings.
The benefit of using the term PCR(W), as with building codes, is that it refers to a very strict interpretation of what constitutes a high-level swing. This interpretation is based upon thousands (ten's of thousands) of hours of work on my part using tools such as physics, computer physics simulations, physiology, engineering control and feedback systems, motor learning and control, video analysis of all sorts, empirical results from working with hundreds of players at all levels (little league to major league) either directly or indirectly (Internet)." Paul Nyman
Therefore, anything that he or anyone well versed in that system MUST as per the definition meet the criteria of a this type of swing. I won't go as far as say MLB swing since it really is checkoffs with drills and not a teaching technique. I've always wonder if the misrepresentation of one individual and his continued attacks and as to what was taught has developed a myth of its own and continues to be perpetuated.
Paul goes on to say:
"And then there are those few who are convinced that PCR "instruction" doesn't work. Again, there is no such thing as PCR instruction. Either these individuals do not understand what PCRW is (a standard to judge a swing by) and/or that the "PCR" process they allegedly used to achieve what they think "PCR" is, didn't meet their expectations. How could it as there no such thing as PCR instruction.
In summary, PCRW is a structural definition of a high level swing. It identifies and explains those movements that result in a high level swing. I have developed a SETPRO instructional methodology (Rotational Hitting for Nominees and The SETPRO Instructor Swing Training Program) which is my approach to what a player needs to do to develop swing mechanics that meet the PCRW requirement.
In summary, most (if not all) of the discussion(s) that I see claiming the person's use or understanding of PCR are of little no value. Worse yet are those who claim that either they teach PCR or that tried PCR and it didn't work." Paul Nyman
I would go on to say that my impression is that Steve is trying to set up a site by attempting to teach members to "see" movement and understand the "reality" of the swing better--as defined by PCR and all that it stands for. (Steve, himself, has asserted that one does not teach PCR.) This then can potentially help a coach teach more effectively. Tom and Mike, I do appreciate the attempt at decent discussion where we all attempted to be civil. One last thought and I'll be done hijacking this thread yet again as this ridiculous set of attacks continues and seems destine to overtake every website on the Internet. This argument has become personal with some posters on every site. If your life is so tragic and pathetic that you must build your self esteem by attacking another of whom you know exaclty nothing about what is contained on their private website nor what they actually teach, then you need to seek help.
Marc, I'll now suspend myself for a week! I do appreciate this site. However, and as I pmed you, you will now have to take actions against all parties involved including me if you want a website that is actually beneficial to the majority of your members who could care less about these "hitting camps."
I would say the answer is found at Epsteins site -----showing the hitters just turning /tilt back/little shift /no upper body loading /little to no cocking of the bat. I'd say the answer is found on my Epstein video showing the same thing when he tells the subject the weight shifts from front to back as the rear shoulder drops. And of course Epstein is teaching the ML pattern. The pattern Tom says is the same as throwing though Epstein's drills completely take the arm action out of the equation with zero loading of the shoulders and arms. Yeah, that looks like TW. 
