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I/R in the Classroom

Jul 14, 2008
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And for forearm fire its the forearm going across the waste from hip to hip.....
First of all you don’t do this My friend. Although you might THINK you do.

Second, your hand position at the end of your pitch is just ironic given your argument. The difference between you and anyone who understands I/R is that we know why and how our hand position ends up like yours. You, like most others who don’t get how it happens, just don’t understand it. And that’s ok. No one is forcing you to learn at your age.

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Sep 29, 2014
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Ken - thanks for helping to get those posted.

Could you also help me understand what I'm (not) seeing? BM and Mr. Feld's motions look the same, it's just that Mr. Feld does a full windup. They both IR, they both throw across the body, both seem to brush and let their arm "wrap" around their hip. Maybe Mr. Feld ends up more closed on the follow through, but I don't see much of a hip rotation or "snap". (I should had that I hope I still have that much range of motion when I'm 80!)

Is everyone just vehemently agreeing with other? Is it a terminology difference? Or is there an underlying difference?
@Gags I'm with you....two guys talking past each other....I think the only issue is Mr Feld describes something a certain way when taken literally doesn't actually happen like hip to hip, but if you were to just describe it that is a valid description even though not technically accurate. I think boardmember just doesn't want anyone to actually try to learn that as a mechanically correct description. I think as a cue for someone who has been doing hello elbow for a while it would be just fine, kinda of like stay straight and tall. You aren't actually straight your foot lands at an angle, you release at an angle etc. but we all know what we mean, same with tall your knee are always bent slightly thru release but we know what we mean, here I think it's just two people not knowing what the other means or at lest not giving the benefit of the doubt and to boardmembers point if I don't know what you mean all I can do is take you literally....but hey I got my popcorn out.

p.s @Mr Feld we are all just praying our bodies are in shape enough to be able to pitch like that at that age ....God Bless you
 
Jul 14, 2008
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@Gags I'm with you....two guys talking past each other....I think the only issue is Mr Feld describes something a certain way when taken literally doesn't actually happen..........
Carter, feel free to search this thread for Nunthia1914’s opening and continued comments regarding I/R and the methodology I’ve laid out for learning to throw a softball underhanded and ultimately the pitching motion itself.

He opens with, and continues to say, “this is wrong. “you are teaching it wrong”. “You don’t know what your doing.”

So I don’t think we are talking past each other. With that said, I’ve shown him numerous times in this thread that what he thinks happens doesn’t, and what he thinks doesn’t happen actually does.

What I’ve done, both here and in my original I/R thread, is to first teach people to understand and recognize the proper method that occurs in high level mechanics, but also give them a path here in this thread to accomplish it.

What Nunthia is basically saying is “this method, and you, are wrong” vs. “Here’s a way to accomplish the same thing”.

So again no, we are not just talking past each other.

Bottom line is we here at DPF know how much this information has helped thousands of students, parents and even teachers further the goal. Heck, honestly, some of the most respected pitching coaches in the sport have adopted, refined, better understood, and/or even just begun speaking more correctly about the fast pitch motion based on the two I/R threads I’ve posted here.

So when someone starts posting about how wrong this is, basically telling people not to follow the principles laid out here, they need to be called out with facts supporting the information.

Peace bro!
 
Nov 25, 2012
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Carter, feel free to search this thread for Nunthia1914’s opening and continued comments regarding I/R and the methodology I’ve laid out for learning to throw a softball underhanded and ultimately the pitching motion itself.

He opens with, and continues to say, “this is wrong. “you are teaching it wrong”. “You don’t know what your doing.”

So I don’t think we are talking past each other. With that said, I’ve shown him numerous times in this thread that what he thinks happens doesn’t, and what he thinks doesn’t happen actually does.

What I’ve done, both here and in my original I/R thread, is to first teach people to understand and recognize the proper method that occurs in high level mechanics, but also give them a path here in this thread to accomplish it.

What Nunthia is basically saying is “this method, and you, are wrong” vs. “Here’s a way to accomplish the same thing”.

So again no, we are not just talking past each other.

Bottom line is we here at DPF know how much this information has helped thousands of students, parents and even teachers further the goal. Heck, honestly, some of the most respected pitching coaches in the sport have adopted, refined, better understood, and/or even just begun speaking more correctly about the fast pitch motion based on the two I/R threads I’ve posted here.

So when someone starts posting about how wrong this is, basically telling people not to follow the principles laid out here, they need to be called out with facts supporting the information.

Peace bro!
AMEN!!! So many new people come here and I get a little peeved when the founders are called out like BM. I am quick to jump to the defense of them and just in my blood. Of course, always open to new information as the game evolves but IMHO the I/R posts by BM are Gospel! "quoting a R Balswick term right there"
 
Feb 20, 2012
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Ok my friend. These two videos U have posted U are doing without my permission and it misrepresents what I am doing. I don't know where you got them they were private for my lessons. My guess is maybe on FB but if you did then why did you not post me actually throwing the drop? Now my friend U need to take off these videos right now.
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Feb 20, 2012
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Carter, feel free to search this thread for Nunthia1914’s opening and continued comments regarding I/R and the methodology I’ve laid out for learning to throw a softball underhanded and ultimately the pitching motion itself.

He opens with, and continues to say, “this is wrong. “you are teaching it wrong”. “You don’t know what your doing.”

So I don’t think we are talking past each other. With that said, I’ve shown him numerous times in this thread that what he thinks happens doesn’t, and what he thinks doesn’t happen actually does.

What I’ve done, both here and in my original I/R thread, is to first teach people to understand and recognize the proper method that occurs in high level mechanics, but also give them a path here in this thread to accomplish it.

What Nunthia is basically saying is “this method, and you, are wrong” vs. “Here’s a way to accomplish the same thing”.

So again no, we are not just talking past each other.

Bottom line is we here at DPF know how much this information has helped thousands of students, parents and even teachers further the goal. Heck, honestly, some of the most respected pitching coaches in the sport have adopted, refined, better understood, and/or even just begun speaking more correctly about the fast pitch motion based on the two I/R threads I’ve posted here.

So when someone starts posting about how wrong this is, basically telling people not to follow the principles laid out here, they need to be called out with facts supporting the information.

Peace bro!
Carter, feel free to search this thread for Nunthia1914’s opening and continued comments regarding I/R and the methodology I’ve laid out for learning to throw a softball underhanded and ultimately the pitching motion itself.

He opens with, and continues to say, “this is wrong. “you are teaching it wrong”. “You don’t know what your doing.”

So I don’t think we are talking past each other. With that said, I’ve shown him numerous times in this thread that what he thinks happens doesn’t, and what he thinks doesn’t happen actually does.

What I’ve done, both here and in my original I/R thread, is to first teach people to understand and recognize the proper method that occurs in high level mechanics, but also give them a path here in this thread to accomplish it.

What Nunthia is basically saying is “this method, and you, are wrong” vs. “Here’s a way to accomplish the same thing”.

So again no, we are not just talking past each other.

Bottom line is we here at DPF know how much this information has helped thousands of students, parents and even teachers further the goal. Heck, honestly, some of the most respected pitching coaches in the sport have adopted, refined, better understood, and/or even just begun speaking more correctly about the fast pitch motion based on the two I/R threads I’ve posted here.

So when someone starts posting about how wrong this is, basically telling people not to follow the principles laid out here, they need to be called out with facts supporting the information.

Peace bro!
Mr. Board Member I stand by what i say and I have the backing of some men world class pitchers who will affirm what I say. My opinion is as a pitching coach of 31 years now that a pitcher should now turn the hand and arm over like U do. The I/R will happen automatically U don't have for force it. The two videos you have posted mispresent me the way I actually pitch so if i get a chance to post myself and NOT U then I will show the videos of how I do it and U can then criticize all U want. One of the video's is me thowing a rise without using my wrist and the other is a domo on how not to do it. All the best JJ
 
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Mr. Board Member I stand by what i say and I have the backing of some men world class pitchers who will affirm what I say. My opinion is as a pitching coach of 31 years now that a pitcher should now turn the hand and arm over like U do. The I/R will happen automatically U don't have for force it. The two videos you have posted mispresent me the way I actually pitch so if i get a chance to post myself and NOT U then I will show the videos of how I do it and U can then criticize all U want. One of the video's is me thowing a rise without using my wrist and the other is a domo on how not to do it. All the best JJ
First off you have to follow the thread Boardmember was not the one who posted your video so please don't get upset at him. I think the problem is simply not having an open mind to actually watch what happens when high level pitchers pitch (yourself included), no matter what the age you have to be willing to learn. Look at Jennie Finch, an idol for many young girls and one of the most accomplished players in the game, if you go to her clinic she will teach and describe to you how to pitch. Now if you observe her actually pitching she DOES NOT pitch like she teaches. Then take someone like Amanda Scarborough she did similar things but she actually studied mechanics, her mechanics, and had an open mind and began to really dissect what she was doing that made her successful and changed her teaching accordingly to match what she was really doing. Hitters, even MLB hitter, do the same thing they will teach you something but then when you analyze their swing they don't actually do what they teach.

This is why I made my comment about cues, a lot of times people use something because it is a cue they use in their mind to get their body to do something but it does not mean that is what they are actually doing.

Anyway I'll bow out and let you guys discuss more...just always my nature I guess to find a middle ground or at least focus on what we can agree on.
 
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