Corner vs no Corner

[Mudders Brudder]

You got me to go back and rewatch the video.

Think it would have made more sense if he included the importance of the stretch in the rear lower back. That said, with some understanding there were some valid points after the somewhat rough beginning.

What points do you disagree with?

Um, that video is like eight years old, and fortunately Rich has continued to work on, and improve his understanding of the swing, and how he presents it. Trying to say that that's exactly what he's doing and teaching now is unfair at best, disingenuous at the worst.

While I'm not a big fan of Rich the person (and I know he doesn't give one rip about what people think of him), I do believe he has some very valid teaching points and concepts in his methodology, and that simply dismissing them because of his personality is not only unfortunate for the adult, but also for any of the kids that person may teach along the way (that's not directed at you specifically Five, I know you're as open to new concepts regardless of the source as anyone).

 

[Mudders Brudder]

So what is the actual corner?

I assume it's formed by the body, but which parts form the corner?

In simplest terms, it's basically the stationary rear hip, that the swing/barrel comes around from behind of.

 

[Shawn]

Watched the video, still don't know what the corner is or isn't.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

In simplest terms, it's basically the stationary rear hip, that the swing/barrel comes around from behind of.

From a 'feel' perspective, I tend to think of the 'corner' as the muscle contraction along the back edge the body. I think HI spoke of a SCIP (SCap + hIP) ... which is something I can readily relate to ... to me that would be the 'corner'.

 

[Shawn]

In simplest terms, it's basically the stationary rear hip, that the swing/barrel comes around from behind of.

I think you might be correct. All I could get from the video was it was some point of the loading/unloading.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Um, that video is like eight years old, and fortunately Rich has continued to work on, and improve his understanding of the swing, and how he presents it. Trying to say that that's exactly what he's doing and teaching now is unfair at best, disingenuous at the worst.

While I'm not a big fan of Rich the person (and I know he doesn't give one rip about what people think of him), I do believe he has some very valid teaching points and concepts in his methodology, and that simply dismissing them because of his personality is not only unfortunate for the adult, but also for any of the kids that person may teach along the way (that's not directed at you specifically Five, I know you're as open to new concepts regardless of the source as anyone).

Good points ... and I agree.

It may have been after that video that Rich learned of Lumber Lordosis from the Hawaiian golfing instructor. In any event, my point was that the 'corner', for me, is easier to describe to a hitter when I include the rear lower back.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

From a 'feel' perspective, I tend to think of the 'corner' as the muscle contraction along the back edge the body. I think HI spoke of a SCIP (SCap + hIP) ... which is something I can readily relate to ... to me that would be the 'corner'.

You could have that "feel" of the muscle contraction of the "SCIP", but then "lose the corner" if the swing is launched and/or the weight shift is done incorrectly.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

Good points ... and I agree.

It may have been after that video that Rich learned of Lumber Lordosis from the Hawaiian golfing instructor. In any event, my point was that the 'corner', for me, is easier to describe to a hitter when I include the rear lower back.

Yes, and I believe that Rich thinks the same also, as much of his current teaching is wrt the lower back area as the 2nd video you posted illustrates.

 

[FP26]

When thinking of "the corner", I always think back to the gears analogy that Rich used/uses. In my opinion the corner is where the vertical gear and the horizontal gear intersect.

 

[corlay]

In my opinion the corner is where the vertical gear and the horizontal gear intersect.

Yes. Agree!