12yo Maddie

rdbass said:

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Shawn said:

The swing is a top down sequence. It looks good like the rotation is good, although when you break it down the sequence is top down. If you look at the swing both heels are down when the shoulders begin to turn. The hips are not leading the sequence. I'm talking about the gif posted. The back knee is late pressing forward when the front foot plants.

It's not all about creating rotation, which can be seen in the clip. Rotation is just part of what you want. The break down at contact is partly due to the fact that the swing is a top down sequence, nothing left (nothing pulling earlier in the swing).

I would say that a lack of loading and trying to do everything from release contributes to the sequence problems. Jim Dixon once said that it takes longer for a good swing to be created. We can find many, many, swings that have a larger negative move then what I posted of Griffey. What Griffey does extremely well is walk away from the hands and "sits" into rotation extremely well. Griffey and Bonds are poster boys for sitting into rotation.

Because she looks rushed by starting late, she doesn't sit into rotation. The back knee doesn't flex or press the front foot down. Therefor the hips are late. If you look at the Grffey clip you can see both heel in the air at the same time, because he sits into rotation so well.

there are others things I don't like, like posture, but I'll let you respond (or anyone) before going into more detail. Bottom line is don't fooled into what appears to be rotation, there is a real sequence problem with the swing.

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rdbass said:

Thank you for your response.

That's what I did think of the term 'Merry-go-round but, I believe the barrel/bat is 'connected'/'pinned' to the shoulders rotation. I believe the barrel/bat is connected to the rotation of the shoulders rotation around and then the bat is 'flung' towards the ball during that time adjustment is made to the ball. I would like the hands acting independently of the resisting shoulder rotation and not connected/pinned to the shoulders.

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Eric F said:

Hmmm...not sure your point with this one.. It's not her "normal" swing pattern, and her timing was off. Not a pattern I would teach. It was a "hit anything you can" swing with 2 strikes that ran hard and fast down the 3B line for a 3-run HR. I'll take it for the situation.

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Spartans21 said:

I don't disagree with your breakdown of what is going on with her swing. I'm not sure if the rotation explanation is directed at me. I never mentioned that....How would you go about fixing the issues you see?

For me if she continues to pull back, tilts laterally,(stays rear legged) and turns her barrel from that position there is going to be a significant change for the better in her swing. You cannot turn your barrel properly until you get the previously mentioned areas corrected. I think adding those elements to that specific swing right there is possible. She already handles the bat pretty well, I've seen a swing like this turn around very quickly........

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Shawn said:

I would work on arching the lower back and tilt, with learning how to better sit into rotation (better knee flexion).

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Eric F said:

Hmmm...not sure your point with this one.. It's not her "normal" swing pattern, and her timing was off. Not a pattern I would teach. It was a "hit anything you can" swing with 2 strikes that ran hard and fast down the 3B line for a 3-run HR. I'll take it for the situation.

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rdbass said:

Eric, you posted the swings. To me it seems/seemed like her 'normal' swing pattern. It reminds me of the 'torque/deltoid drill'. Which I had my DD using during our early years in learning the HL swing. I was showing what I see and hoping you were also able to see the 'swing pattern' that I see. It's starting to seem like I'm 'bashing' your DD and that's not my intention. So, I will bail out now. Shawn & Spartan seem to being headed into the 'direction' I would be taking Maddie.

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