HLP vs the High level movement pattern

[clemenslee1]

So the front leg is only used for stability/balance purposes and as long as you can do that you want the least amount of pressure on the front foot when swinging (since you bleed stretch the more pressure you have), is that your contention?

I think there is a Goldilocks solution to this tbh...

I contend that I would want the least amount of pressure possible at the point of launch and once launched the pressure will increase on the front foot. Its a matter of timing. Granted I think there is room to play there as there are preferences to the player, 50/50, 60/40, 70/30 what have you. The last video of Lindor that I shared in the cricket video. He sated he wanted roughly 90% of his weight back (you can call that a back shift if you want) and when he landed at foot down he does not want all of if on the front foot, and when swings what was back is transferred into the front. Call it what you want, I call it swing is the shift or swing and shift. I think that was the same as Ruth stated.

Edit: I think it should be added also the purpose of a pitcher, is to get you off your back side either to early or too late. They know if they can get you to your front side to soon and to far, that you cannot put off a good swing majority of the time. Like wise the opposite can be said if they can get you to not get your weight shifted on time (with full force into the ball) and late then you will either foul it off (Putting them ahead in the count early) or blow it past you. Hence you time the weight shift and swing for the fast ball, but adjust from there. Maximum useful stretch and weight shift is timed fast ball, but can be dynamic enough to adjust.

Aside from that Yes the primary purpose is for stability and balance.

 

[Rolling Hard]

Obviously Pattar his legs/knee are stiff, which makes the hips look stiff as well.

I have a much better swing of his to look at, 2 actually, one for the overall good swing that hit on the screws and the other for a great lowerbody.

What swings are better? These two or the one TDS trying to pass off his example. Their not even close to my eye.

For the love of God, I don't know how you can say he isn't using both legs.

 

[_MIA_]

I contend that I would want the least amount of pressure possible at the point of launch and once launched the pressure will increase on the front foot. Its a matter of timing. Granted I think there is room to play there as there are preferences to the player, 50/50, 60/40, 70/30 what have you. The last video of Lindor that I shared in the cricket video. He sated he wanted roughly 90% of his weight back (you can call that a back shift if you want) and when he landed at foot down he does not want all of if on the front foot, and when swings what was back is transferred into the front. Call it what you want, I call it swing is the shift or swing and shift. I think that was the same as Ruth stated.

Aside from that Yes the primary purpose is for stability and balance.

The force of the swing certainly causes the pressure to increase after launch.

 

[clemenslee1]

The force of the swing certainly causes the pressure to increase after launch.

Which is why I have no issues personally with the terms swing is the shift or shift and swing and especially swing the foot down. I have no issues with the foot already being down.

To me this makes me question: If the shift is already out of the way done and complete. That means the lower half has already done its job. All there is left to do is contract the core against it. Sounds like a top down swing if you ask me. That all you are powering the swing with is the upper half. I know some will say don't forget about hip extension. Does hip extension shift weight or pressure any where?

 

[_MIA_]

Which is why I have no issues personally with the terms swing is the shift or shift and swing and especially swing the foot down. I have no issues with the foot already being down.

Sure if you are talking about COP and not COM..this is what @FP26 was getting at

 

[clemenslee1]

Sure if you are talking about COP and not COM..this is what @FP26 was getting at

Yeah that would be more correct.

 

[TDS]

So back to the original question of why ?

 

[_MIA_]

So back to the original question of why ?

Both @clemenslee1 and @Work=wins gave an answer..you crowd sourcing ?

Edit: granted I am not sure either gave an anatomical reason why foot pressure inherently bleeds the stretch that is being discussed nor would I would know if whatever anatomical reason that is given would be right or wrong so

 

[clemenslee1]

Both @clemenslee1 and @Work=wins gave an answer..you crowd sourcing ?

Edit: granted I am not sure either gave an anatomical reason why foot pressure inherently bleeds the stretch that is being discussed nor would I would know if whatever anatomical reason that is given would be right or wrong so

Maybe because muscles are not like rubber bands that lengthen, and as pressure increases, a person is trying to lengthen the stretch, the body does not allow it to continue. Not even remotely saying this is correct but I thought it was interesting.

It’s a common belief that when you stretch a muscle, it becomes longer in length – but does it really? Your muscles are attached at one point on a bone and end at another point. Stretching doesn’t change those two attachment points – so how can you lengthen a muscle just by stretching it? The truth is you don’t actually change the length of the muscle permanently. Instead, when you stretch you soften your body’s protective response, or stretch reflex. It’s this protective reflex that keeps you from overstretching a muscle and causing injury.

How does the stretch reflex work? Within muscle fibers are proprioceptors called muscle spindles. These receptors send sensory input to your brain to tell it what state your muscle is in. For example, the muscle spindles monitor muscle length. If you stretch a muscle quickly, it activates the muscle spindles. The muscle spindles, acting through a sensory nerve, send input to your brain. The brain then sends a message back, through a motor nerve, telling the muscle to shorten so it won’t be overstretched and potentially injured. This is called the stretch reflex.

How does this relate to stretching? When you elongate a muscle in a slow, controlled manner, as when you stretch, it’s not perceived as a threat and the stretch reflex isn’t activated. As a result, you can extend the muscle further than you would normally be able to. The goal of a good stretch is to get the muscle to relax a little more by bypassing the stretch reflex. Although the muscle may be more relaxed and extended, it’s only temporary.

 

[Work=wins]

Both @clemenslee1 and @Work=wins gave an answer..you crowd sourcing ?

Edit: granted I am not sure either gave an anatomical reason why foot pressure inherently bleeds the stretch that is being discussed nor would I would know if whatever anatomical reason that is given would be right or wrong so

I did answer the question