Bat Path

[Mudders Brudder]

that makes sense. Actual ‘committal’ would be when the barrel comes forward. I agree. If we are saying ‘launch’ is point of no return. That is swing launch. But the physical ‘feel’ of launch would be the hands coming forward as far as feel goes. For me. OMMV.

Edit: if you look at this way.. when adjusting to an offspeed pitch and the hands come forward and you can’t hold up or adjust anymore... would that be considered launch as well? Coaches always saying keep the hands back to sit for offspeed. Know what I mean?

Well here's another thing I look at, or consider when it comes to what swings or launches the bat...yep, you guessed it, the rear hip.

Look at all of the check swings, or a hitter waiting on the OS stuff....

...and there's really not a complete swing or launch until the rear hip comes through (or maybe better "around") to the ball.

This is were the "back" portion and timing of the FYB is so very important. No way Barry is ever able to wait on that OS pitch above, if he actually tries to apply what he does in his practice swings in a game...

 

[Work=wins]

So if the hands come forward too soon. Can’t adjust. Point of no return? If the barrel arcs but the hands don’t come forward can you still adjust ? Once the hands lose their stretch there isn’t really anything one can do but stays the course or buckle, correct?

 

[Work=wins]

Well here's another thing I look at, or consider when it comes to what swings or launches the bat...yep, you guessed it, the rear hip.

Look at all of the check swings, or a hitter waiting on the OS stuff....

...and there's really not a complete swing or launch until the rear hip comes through (or maybe better "around") to the ball.

This is were the "back" portion and timing of the FYB is so very important. No way Barry is ever able to wait on that OS pitch above, if he actually tries to apply what he does in his practice swings in a game...
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I get that. The hands and backside should be ‘connected’ or in sync. I look at the back knee ‘turning’. Actually I like the word ‘committing’ as I don’t think the knee actually rotates but more so believe the hip Pulls and ‘rotates‘ which brings the knee. Jmo.

 

[Work=wins]

I think I answered my original question to this thread. LOL.

 

[BigSkyHi]

So if the hands come forward too soon. Can’t adjust. Point of no return? If the barrel arcs but the hands don’t come forward can you still adjust ? Once the hands lose their stretch there isn’t really anything one can do but stays the course or buckle, correct?

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One nice piece of hitting (looks like a soft liner for a base hit). Looks like the external obliques helped pull the chest forward so the dominate eye could stay in the contact zone. Would also bet he has had to swing at that pitch more than once.

 

[Work=wins]

One nice piece of hitting (looks like a soft liner for a base hit). Looks like the helped external obliques pulled the chest forward so the dominate eye could stay in the contact zone. Would also bet he has had to swing at that pitch more than once.

not sure but I think it went for a HR. It was a ‘suuped up’ Manny though so..

 

[Mudders Brudder]

So if the hands come forward too soon. Can’t adjust. Point of no return? If the barrel arcs but the hands don’t come forward can you still adjust ? Once the hands lose their stretch there isn’t really anything one can do but stays the course or buckle, correct?

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Here's another thought that I think it was FFS first observed...there are two types of teachings wrt hitting, "barrel centric", and "knob/hand centric".

I happen to focus my instruction on the working end of the bat (barrel centric), while others focus on the hands (hand centric) to manipulate the knob end of the bat in order to get the opposite end of it to the ball.

In Manny's case above, I look at it as that he's doing everything he can to no commit the barrel to the ball once he realizes he's read the pitch completely wrong. This is way we're seeing several more frames of "forward" ("linear" Butter) movement of the hips (lower half) after toe-touch, as he fights to keep his weight (upper half) "back".

It's not until he (delays and) gets as far forward as possible, does he then start rotating his rear hip, and brining his hands forward to the ball, while delaying his barrel rearward as long as possible to get it onto the ball as late as possible.

Just my take on an unusual, and uncommon swing from Manny.

 

[BigSkyHi]

Well here's another thing I look at, or consider when it comes to what swings or launches the bat...yep, you guessed it, the rear hip.

Look at all of the check swings, or a hitter waiting on the OS stuff....

...and there's really not a complete swing or launch until the rear hip comes through (or maybe better "around") to the ball.

This is were the "back" portion and timing of the FYB is so very important. No way Barry is ever able to wait on that OS pitch above, if he actually tries to apply what he does in his practice swings in a game...
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In the top pics it looks like heel plant finishes off the body's lateral movement and the launch begins with body rotations and hands lateral to pitcher..

The bottom pic looks like he's selling autographs at a sporting goods store.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

I the top pics it looks like heel plant finishes off the body's lateral movement and the launch begins with body rotations and hands lateral to pitcher..

The bottom pic looks like he's selling autographs at a sporting goods store.

Agreed. But sadly, there are some who believe Barry's "selling autographs" swing is something they should be teaching to their hitters. I just happen to disagree with that is all.

 

[_MIA_]

Whatever happened to:

• Pitcher not ready - stand tall; bat laying on shoulder
• Pitcher ready - bend top down to athletic posture; top hand lifts bat to 45 degrees
• Pitcher strides - start load ground up; hands to in front of deltoid
• Pitcher near release – stride; scap load elbow near toe touch; yes or no

• How is the extension?
  • Okay -
  • Not okay – let’s see why

Even that is like 4 times as much instruction as I ever got