barrel/hand pivot point, a.k.a TTB

[Mudders Brudder]

Oh my gosh, how excited must TDS and others be right now...knowing that they, and TM are now teaching the same things...swing "down to" from a one-legged, FYB, leveraged position? Yeehaw...Glory be!!

(Just messin' with ya TDS, just messing with you)

 

[FP26]

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I think you might be onto something!

Lol! I guess I should have watched it instead of just listening to it.

 

[Shawn]

Sadaharu OH would do a dry swing drill while shagging balls in the OF where he would get in a flamingo stance stride closed and swing down and across his body. He believed the three main faults of all hitters was that they opened up, dropped the barrel and weren’t on time/balanced. He says that drill made him who he was.

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That’s an awesome clip. It also proves there is no such thing of starting too soon! Great visual and example of the hover drill.

 

[Shawn]

I’m trying Oh’s style as a Hover drill.

 

[CrazyNani]

"swing at top of ball' - have seen that a time or two in the posts. Here is some old school that may explain why. Find it totally amazing.

- HITTING the Baseball, WATCH and Learn - Sports Science Original 1994!

What a bunch of ugly swings!

 

[cnardone]

I find that part about time between pitches interesting. We all know that working quickly is good for the fielders. I I'd like to see more research on how it effects hitters.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

Ya its not wrapping long enough(for me)! Probly take a few more this afternoon. I'll try the bonds(no crossing line) move.

Blast has this video of correia from a commercial. I've seen his hand speed somehwere and he definitley gets more bat speed from his hand speed(the ratio) than I do.

I think driveline maybe has a bunch of blast data posted from alot of their players. They have a few articles incorporating blast data that are worth looking at. This is one, there are more good ones.

Debunking Bat Speed Myths

With the ability to measure bat speed and pair the findings to launch monitors and 3D motion devices, the claims on the relationship between bat speed and

www.drivelinebaseball.com

Here's a quote for the guys who think swinging max is bad.

"There is a subtle implication in the arguments that high bat speed is bad, that the faster the bat is swung the less likely chance of hitting the ball flush. This belief seems eerily similar to the arguments that the harder one throws, the worse command one has. As mentioned earlier, the good news is we now have tools to measure and test the validity of these beliefs."

Let the argument begin!

 

[Bobby Shirer]

Sadaharu OH would do a dry swing drill while shagging balls in the OF where he would get in a flamingo stance stride closed and swing down and across his body. He believed the three main faults of all hitters was that they opened up, dropped the barrel and weren’t on time/balanced. He says that drill made him who he was.

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Looks like the only thing that matters is being on time.
He's clearly opened up and dropped the barrel below the ball.
These guys too.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

So I am going to go out on a limb and say others are having this issue with TTB and Active vs Passive hands discussion simply because this is how I've been interpreting things.

What we just agreed on (ie TTB is due to Actively slotting the elbow and the hands keeping the elbow to bat relationship), I've considered Passive hands.

When I was trying to "Actively" use my hands (and causing the barrel dump), my hands were forcing the barrel to rotate backward forcing the elbow slot. Feel vs really maybe? I don't know.

I feel like there is a difference between the elbow slotting and the hands & barrel following VS the hand forcing the barrel back and the elbow following.

I understand an agree that you can hold a bat too loosely, but there does need to be an overall relaxed-ness to let the pulling muscles pull.

The question I have is this, how do the hands/wrists move independently of the arms? The hands squeeze the bat. The wrists flex, deviate, and twist. If there are 2 hands on the bat and the hitter creates a shearing action, the wrists will articulate but the force is supplied by the arm and shoulder movements. If the wrists and hands are loose, there is slack in the linkage and the force isn't efficiently transferred.
I like to remember that force transferred to the bat needs to be at a 90° angle to the bat so aligning the forearms to the bat becomes important. Loose wrists and hands lose that alignment.

 

[BigSkyHi]

What a bunch of ugly swings!

LOL even the future HOF. At least you got to see a tiny genius at work..