Positional hitting

[julray]

I have no issue at all with the front arm, hand remaining connected, but these two position are much different. Trout is still cocked and loaded, ready to release the bat, this guy as already released a lot of energy IMO. I know he's concentrating on keeping the lead arm close to the body, but it looks to me like he's initially casting.

 

[Work=wins]

I think what this guy is trying to say is more along the lines of don’t push your front elbow forward too soon if at all.

Yes, he comes off as unclear and egotistical but there was a time when folks were instructing the front elbow too stay bent and come forward pushing the hands away from rotation. Instead of staying connected.

I think it was a ‘stay inside’ cue that was misinterpreted or overcooked. That never happens during hitting instruction . LOL.

I do instruct players to ‘stay inside’ on all pitches.. if done properly the front elbow will bend appropriately and at the right time. Either flexed or extended. The point is to try and stay in the zone for as long as possible so one can hit it deep in the zone or out in front.

A bunch of variables make this possible not just bat path. Pushing the elbow forward is bad. I think we all know that.

 

[Fury_Mike]

I think what this guy is trying to say is more along the lines of don’t push your front elbow forward too soon if at all.

Yes, he comes off as unclear and egotistical but there was a time when folks were instructing the front elbow too stay bent and come forward pushing the hands away from rotation. Instead of staying connected.

I think it was a ‘stay inside’ cue that was misinterpreted or overcooked. That never happens during hitting instruction . LOL.

I do instruct players to ‘stay inside’ on all pitches.. if done properly the front elbow will bend appropriately and at the right time. Either flexed or extended. The point is to try and stay in the zone for as long as possible so one can hit it deep in the zone or out in front.

A bunch of variables make this possible not just bat path. Pushing the elbow forward is bad. I think we all know that.

If you could expand more on what your teaching that would be great. I am teaching more to lead with the back elbow to connection, and that the hands come forward in the process but never get past the belly button. Thoughts?

 

[Work=wins]

If you could expand more on what your teaching that would be great. I am teaching more to lead with the back elbow to connection, and that the hands come forward in the process but never get past the belly button. Thoughts?

Fury Mike,

Sorry for late response. Softball all day.

They way I teach the hands/arms is exclusively through the hands. I want the hands( last lever in the kinetic chain ) to be directional and reciprocal. I have players plane with the hands north/south/east/west. The arms in my opinion support this task. Flexion and extension being their main task during ‘adjustments’.

The end goal being a direct line to the ball through the hands with the barrel lagging directly behind. I use ‘get the knob to a release point inside the ball’ quite a bit. After that it’s about spatial awareness. Found through reps and in game successes and failures.



As far as the back elbow, I’m of the opinion that, that angle created by the back elbow at launch needs to be maintained into launch until release of the barrel.

 

[Shawn]

OK, received the book today. It's short and to the point trying not to be a 100 to 300 page book.

He says the swing thought is to create lead arm pull. And the swing works by focusing on this one action. The hands lower and the barrel flattens as the swing progresses. The position is the contact position.

I have tried to create lead arm pull, and it creates a never ending follow through. There is a pull in the swing, although you can't try to help it to much, you have to let it happen.

He views the back arm as creating a push swing. A short to the ball down/level/up swing. While push swing aren't what your after, it's better then a bat drag swing. Bat drag is the #1 hitting fault and not a push swing. You can make it a long ways with a swing, you can't make it very far with a bat drag swing.

 

[Work=wins]

OK, received the book today. It's short and to the point trying not to be a 100 to 300 page book.

He says the swing thought is to create lead arm pull. And the swing works by focusing on this one action. The hands lower and the barrel flattens as the swing progresses. The position is the contact position.

I have tried to create lead arm pull, and it creates a never ending follow through. There is a pull in the swing, although you can't try to help it to much, you have to let it happen.

He views the back arm as creating a push swing. A short to the ball down/level/up swing. While push swing aren't what your after, it's better then a bat drag swing. Bat drag is the #1 hitting fault and not a push swing. You can make it a long ways with a swing, you can't make it very far with a bat drag swing.

I don’t think he is all wrong. Funny you mentioned a never ending follow through. Anchoring the swing would not let that be an issue.




To me the back arm/hand really doesn’t have much to do with anything until the hands get close to the mid-line. Except to load(rd) and maintain the load of the barrel. Which is a correspondent of the chain. After the lead arm ‘pull’.

Then extension with the back elbow and ud with the wrist occur and are responsible for the finish of the swing/chain. Hence my comment about the back arm maintaining its angle until the release of the barrel.

 

[Shawn]

 

[Fury_Mike]

Fury Mike,

Sorry for late response. Softball all day.

They way I teach the hands/arms is exclusively through the hands. I want the hands( last lever in the kinetic chain ) to be directional and reciprocal. I have players plane with the hands north/south/east/west. The arms in my opinion support this task. Flexion and extension being their main task during ‘adjustments’.

The end goal being a direct line to the ball through the hands with the barrel lagging directly behind. I use ‘get the knob to a release point inside the ball’ quite a bit. After that it’s about spatial awareness. Found through reps and in game successes and failures.



As far as the back elbow, I’m of the opinion that, that angle created by the back elbow at launch needs to be maintained into launch until release of the barrel.

Fury Mike,

Sorry for late response. Softball all day.

They way I teach the hands/arms is exclusively through the hands. I want the hands( last lever in the kinetic chain ) to be directional and reciprocal. I have players plane with the hands north/south/east/west. The arms in my opinion support this task. Flexion and extension being their main task during ‘adjustments’.

The end goal being a direct line to the ball through the hands with the barrel lagging directly behind. I use ‘get the knob to a release point inside the ball’ quite a bit. After that it’s about spatial awareness. Found through reps and in game successes and failures.



As far as the back elbow, I’m of the opinion that, that angle created by the back elbow at launch needs to be maintained into launch until release of the barrel.

This second video is a great view of the back elbow. Its going to take a few reads to process some of the terms you used, but I appreciate your response.

 

[Work=wins]

This second video is a great view of the back elbow. Its going to take a few reads to process some of the terms you used, but I appreciate your response.

The hands are intricate in their movements when described piece by piece. They are not half as complicated when teaching though. In my experience anyway. If there is something I can shed more light on. Shoot !

 

[RichK]

'I highly recommend casting as a band-aid to a swing...I promise you you'll hit way better that way.'

Run.