Tryout Season (aka Silly Season)

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May 6, 2015
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aaaaarrrggghhhhh... that is all

but seriously, DD2 just finished her first real year of TB for 10u (2007) team newly formed last fall. 2nd in states, take 4th at a "national" tournament. both HC and AC are moving to 12u, and all but one player have to move up as well. HC indicates no one is safe, everyone must tryout again. Team only had 11 at end of season, and pretty certain at least one of those will not be back or asked back (parent issue). Is this a case of now that I have made a name, I can recruit better players? Or possibly she just wants to see how girls handle 12 inch ball? HC is also adding a 14u, and two more 10us to the organization (there also was a 2008 team last year as well that will continue), but is only going to be HC of the single 12u team. their last tryout is early next week, only one DD2 could make because of swim commitments. will it count against her she only made one, and we told HC why (and supposed HC supports girls playing other sports at this age, but will having other commitments tip scales at all?)

we only scheduled 2 tryouts with other teams, first one was a couple of days ago. Coach did get back to us within 48 hours to say no thanks, but was very complimentary of DD2 ("one of the most fundamentally sound 2007 players he has seen"). We knew when we left chances were slim. Unbenownst to us when we decided to attend tryout, HC is coming from another org that broke up, and is basically puttting together a 2006 12u team (and in all their infield throwing drills, HC's DD kept sailing ball over DD2s head, made her look smaller than she was). I did homework before we scheduled tryout, team did not have a 10u last year, and most 12s had to move up for 2018/2019 season. DD2 definitely did not have power of some of the other girls we saw hitting, many were a head taller than her. Nothing wrong with this, I get the idea of keeping team together. But just say what the situation is. (by the way, still not certain how to break the news to her, this would be the first time she tried out and did not get asked to join, and want to keep confidence up for next two)

Other one is a much lower level team, and really do not want to take that step down. They even said good opportunity at her preferred position when I asked (of course, I take that with a 8 lb grian of salt), which would be really the only benefit, if true.

DD really like being part of the team she was on, even with less playing time, and is now talking about ways to get more reps and improve. and we like it because HC had no kids on team (or at all for that matter). TEam really rallied around DD2 during some tragedies we had during the season.

Guess I will work with her hard next couple of days to improve power (this is her biggest issue really, we have had a couple workouts with 12" balls, no issues really in the field), and hope for the best.

Guess my rant is..... Coaches, why not be open and honest about what you are looking for or what your team needs. save everyone time and trouble.
 
Jul 16, 2018
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aaaaarrrggghhhhh... that is all

but seriously, DD2 just finished her first real year of TB for 10u (2007) team newly formed last fall. 2nd in states, take 4th at a "national" tournament. both HC and AC are moving to 12u, and all but one player have to move up as well. HC indicates no one is safe, everyone must tryout again. Team only had 11 at end of season, and pretty certain at least one of those will not be back or asked back (parent issue). Is this a case of now that I have made a name, I can recruit better players? Or possibly she just wants to see how girls handle 12 inch ball? HC is also adding a 14u, and two more 10us to the organization (there also was a 2008 team last year as well that will continue), but is only going to be HC of the single 12u team. their last tryout is early next week, only one DD2 could make because of swim commitments. will it count against her she only made one, and we told HC why (and supposed HC supports girls playing other sports at this age, but will having other commitments tip scales at all?)

we only scheduled 2 tryouts with other teams, first one was a couple of days ago. Coach did get back to us within 48 hours to say no thanks, but was very complimentary of DD2 ("one of the most fundamentally sound 2007 players he has seen"). We knew when we left chances were slim. Unbenownst to us when we decided to attend tryout, HC is coming from another org that broke up, and is basically puttting together a 2006 12u team (and in all their infield throwing drills, HC's DD kept sailing ball over DD2s head, made her look smaller than she was). I did homework before we scheduled tryout, team did not have a 10u last year, and most 12s had to move up for 2018/2019 season. DD2 definitely did not have power of some of the other girls we saw hitting, many were a head taller than her. Nothing wrong with this, I get the idea of keeping team together. But just say what the situation is. (by the way, still not certain how to break the news to her, this would be the first time she tried out and did not get asked to join, and want to keep confidence up for next two)

Other one is a much lower level team, and really do not want to take that step down. They even said good opportunity at her preferred position when I asked (of course, I take that with a 8 lb grian of salt), which would be really the only benefit, if true.

DD really like being part of the team she was on, even with less playing time, and is now talking about ways to get more reps and improve. and we like it because HC had no kids on team (or at all for that matter). TEam really rallied around DD2 during some tragedies we had during the season.

Guess I will work with her hard next couple of days to improve power (this is her biggest issue really, we have had a couple workouts with 12" balls, no issues really in the field), and hope for the best.

Guess my rant is..... Coaches, why not be open and honest about what you are looking for or what your team needs. save everyone time and trouble.

Thats tough man. Took mine to a tryout for a 2nd year 12 team. Coach told us afterwards that he just wanted to make sure she could handle being with the older players (Shes going into 6th grade but wont turn 11 until after school starts (end of August) Coach told her mom and I that he's never seen anyone as athletic as her and that "shes a hell of a ball player" We let them know she is a competitive cheerleader and he stopped us real quick and let us know we wouldn't be offered a position because god forbid I dont force my 10 year old to stop doing something shes done since she was 3 years old lol. Yeah Im still salty about it. i get it you want girls there. But out of a 60 game schedule she may miss 3-6 games total.

We had an offer for a new team formed in one of the big orgs in town but from talking with the coach it didnt seem like a fit. Like your example it would have been a a lower level and while they were okay with working with the cheer schedule we did pass that one up.
 
May 6, 2015
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Coaches at youth level, especially before 16u, need to understand it is in childs best interest to do multiple things. keeps them active but using their muscles and joints differently.

when it comes to ranking commitments, for us we are clear with all HCs (once offers are made). Last weekend in July is off limits, that is always championships for summer swim season, she has swam for this team since she was 3, they taught her to swim. And she needs at least 3 Tues or Thurs nights during July for swim meets, otherwise, summer swim does not interfere with softball (practices are AM, two blocks from our house). Winter swim is very flexible practice wise (they hold practices 6 nights a week, must do 2, really need to do 3), and there will be about 6 or 7 saturdays within Dec-Feb for meets. when she played soccer (not currently), in fall that was priority, but since she is not playing soccer anymore, softball and swim will be 1a and 1b (DD really does need to start getting pool time out of swim season as well). In spring/summer, other than that one weekend and 3-4 weeknights entire month of July, softball is number 1.

PS coaches of other sports should really love swim as players other sport. low impact, very low chance of injury, great for conditioning and strength.

looking to maybe find another tryout or two now that we know we are down to two. just wish everyone would be clear on what opportunities are available.
 
Dec 2, 2013
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Last weekend in July is off limits, that is always championships for summer swim season, she has swam for this team since she was 3, they taught her to swim. And she needs at least 3 Tues or Thurs nights during July for swim meets,

Sound like the commitment lies with Swim team. Last week of July is reserved for summer nationals for softball around the country...at least one of the legitimate nationals. You will have to choose one over the other by high school if she chooses to compete in either sport in college. All the talk about coaches that like multi sport athletes is a bunch of hog wash. Coaches may like it, but don't encourage it...furthermore some are punished because of it. Their sport always comes first. Good luck softball I know softball she will softball make the right softball decision between softball and swim.
 
May 6, 2015
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Sound like the commitment lies with Swim team. Last week of July is reserved for summer nationals for softball around the country...at least one of the legitimate nationals. You will have to choose one over the other by high school if she chooses to compete in either sport in college. All the talk about coaches that like multi sport athletes is a bunch of hog wash. Coaches may like it, but don't encourage it...furthermore some are punished because of it. Their sport always comes first. Good luck softball I know softball she will softball make the right softball decision between softball and swim.

She is committed to both sports actually, softball moreso this past spring. softball team did play in a "National" tournament this year, middle of July, missed entire week of swim practice and two meets for it, plus two other swim meets for softball practices, she missed one softball practice for a swim meet (need to participate in certain # of reg season meets to be eligible for champs). in winter, though it would be different, winter swim is the more competitive season, and offseason for softball, but summer swim season is a very short season (8 reg season meets and championships all within 5 weeks. she loves both sports, it is ONE weekend in the summer, but it is fixed every year, so we want coaches to know well in advance so we tell them upfront.

we and she both know eventually she will have to make choice, but at 11 yrs old, she has time.

BTW, Coaches who punish players for playing multiple sports or even discourage it should get out of youth sports, period. They are bad for kids development physically and psychologically. Kids bodies need time off from repetitive motions for a while (I remember one mom told me me her pediatrician said making a young child practice/play a single sport year round was child abuse in their eyes).

going along with your point, older DD1 realized about 18 months ago she wants to concentrate on FH, wants to play collegiately, but she is going into HS and pushing 15, and we are supporting her in this (that being said, she still wants to swim in HS, she recognizes it's benefits for her strength and conditioning)

BTW, if DD2 had to pick right now, it would be swim hands down, but fastpitch is gaining ;)
 
Jun 12, 2015
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Well, I must say tryout season has possibly been our best one ever. I mean, part of it is we're returning, so DD isn't actually trying out. But DH is coaching so we're going at it from the other angle. We've had 2 tryouts and both had a great turnout. Sunday was our org tryout and I couldn't believe how many players were there. Last year we were with a different org and had literally not one girl show up for our team. We actually are just about set already and it's only 8/7 so I'm calling this year a success.
 
Feb 26, 2018
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Here's a question... My DD made another team and I heard from the grapevine that a girl from her old team got a private tryout and an offer on the team my DD just made. Now the backstory is that this girl wasn't asked back to the old team because of issues with her lack of hustle, focus, was a distraction in the dugout, etc. Not to mention the parents are major issues as well. She's been kicked off multiple teams and has bounced around all over. It was just a toxic situation in the dugout towards the end of the season and you could tell the rest of the girls wanted nothing to do with her BS. So the question is do I give the coach a heads up so he knows what he's getting into? I don't want to come off as a problem before the season even starts, but I know how last season went and I really don't want a repeat of it for us or my DD.
 
Apr 12, 2016
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Here's a question... My DD made another team and I heard from the grapevine that a girl from her old team got a private tryout and an offer on the team my DD just made. Now the backstory is that this girl wasn't asked back to the old team because of issues with her lack of hustle, focus, was a distraction in the dugout, etc. Not to mention the parents are major issues as well. She's been kicked off multiple teams and has bounced around all over. It was just a toxic situation in the dugout towards the end of the season and you could tell the rest of the girls wanted nothing to do with her BS. So the question is do I give the coach a heads up so he knows what he's getting into? I don't want to come off as a problem before the season even starts, but I know how last season went and I really don't want a repeat of it for us or my DD.

Nothing good can happen from you giving a "heads up" since you are new to the team. If you and/or your DD feel that strongly about this other player go find another team. That would send a message.

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Feb 26, 2018
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Yeah I didn't think so. My DD can avoid her as best as possible, and we managed to be cordial with the parents. My thought is that if she does accept, all that will end up playing out on it's own for them just like it has in previous seasons.
 
Jun 12, 2015
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Here's a question... My DD made another team and I heard from the grapevine that a girl from her old team got a private tryout and an offer on the team my DD just made. Now the backstory is that this girl wasn't asked back to the old team because of issues with her lack of hustle, focus, was a distraction in the dugout, etc. Not to mention the parents are major issues as well. She's been kicked off multiple teams and has bounced around all over. It was just a toxic situation in the dugout towards the end of the season and you could tell the rest of the girls wanted nothing to do with her BS. So the question is do I give the coach a heads up so he knows what he's getting into? I don't want to come off as a problem before the season even starts, but I know how last season went and I really don't want a repeat of it for us or my DD.

There are a small handful of families we just will never play with again. There aren't many. There are plenty I'd rather not, but few that we'd just flat refuse. The only way I'd bring it up to the coach is if it were one of those in which case I'd have to say us or them. Otherwise, no. Don't feed the rumor mill.
 

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