Question about a hitting "style".

[FiveFrameSwing]

Why not just teach them the concept of generating power from the ground up and teach them the relationship between foot position and foot action and how the hips move and are restricted when the foot is planted through the swing? Its not even a hard teach. It usually takes about a single practice for this particular light bulb to go on and for them to understand the feel and why it is desireable to free up the feet enough to let the hips rotate as much as they want while still getting that initial ground up power.

Good question, and we can get into this if there is a true interest. If you would ... please review Rick Pauly’s “Core Pitching Drills” and his "knee to the gut” drill. Pay attention to how he speaks of it not being a ‘round house’. Notice where the action starts and how the rear foot is acted upon.

Have seen many kids struggle to undo the damage of bug squishing / spinning ..... while the light bulb may turn on early, it does require being re-programed.

 

[tjintx]

This description sounds exactly like what my DD is having to put up with at HS. The coach knowingly or not is removing athleticism and trying to create contact hitters.

I'm trying to learn the different styles of hitting out there, Linear, rotational, etc.

I had a pitching student last night and I was going over with her the use of her hips in pitching and trying to equate it a little to hitting and she was just shaking her head not getting it.

So I asked her to show me her hitting mechanics and this is what she showed me;
Weight is on the back leg then during the swing the hips shift from the back leg to the front leg. There is just a minor amount of hip torque from the back hip--the back knee moves toward ball ever so slightly, there is no pivot at all with the back foot, it stays planted. Front foot stays planted as well.

Is there a term for this? She claims her coach is an ex-major league player.

 

[JJsqueeze]

Not really looking to go get information on a concept that I can feel completely and am very confident in my understanding, but if you want to explain why you think the front foot tends to remain planted through the swing that is more interesting and is less of a firmly held view for me than my rear foot thinking. I think swings with the front foot planted have a power restrictor on them and the tend to be weaker, there are a few examples of swings with a planted front foot and some power (I think Sierra Romero is pretty well planted) , but in general I think most powerful swings have the front foot with some rotation just after contact. If you really go after a ball with power, the hip is coming through so strong that the front foot needs to go along for the ride and rotate through on the heel see Miggy/Bonds etc...

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Not looking to describe something to someone that feels that they are already well versed on the topic.

I didn't say that the front foot tends to remain planted through the swing. I said once the front foot is 'planted' that it tends to remain 'planted'. From pitching, and your understanding of resistance, I'm confident that you can feel that. Then again ... maybe we are referring to 'planted' in a different sense .... I'm speaking of maintaining the resistance that is established, whether or not the planted foot becomes rotated further.

 

[FP26]

Sure, would like to see eversion and plantar flexion ... but want to see the upper thigh area being the leader to this action.

The rear foot does not remain planted ..... but instructing someone in that manner can be helpful if they have engrained an over active rear foot spin action. In a way, you are trying to teach the rear foot to be acted upon.

Agreed. I don't have access to my gifs at work, but this reminds me of the Ryan Braun tee-to-game gif.

 

[JJsqueeze]

Not looking to describe something to someone that feels that they are already well versed on the topic.

I didn't say that the front foot tends to remain planted through the swing. I said once the front foot is 'planted' that it tends to remain 'planted'. From pitching, and your understanding of resistance, I'm confident that you can feel that. Then again ... maybe we are referring to 'planted' in a different sense .... I'm speaking of maintaining the resistance that is established, whether or not the planted foot becomes rotated further.

Here is my definition of planted-not allowed to move at all

<img alt="" src="http://i41.tinypic.com/16c86yt.gif" border="0">

Not planted-allowed to rotate through

<img alt="" src="http://i40.tinypic.com/28chohw.gif" border="0">

 

[Greenmonsters]

Here is my definition of planted-not allowed to move at all

<img alt="" src="http://i41.tinypic.com/16c86yt.gif" border="0">

Bet you'd see this hitter's foot rotate on an inside pitch

 

[Jojo]

It’s tough to comment without an accompanying video.


Once planted, the front foot does tend to remain planted.

I know I don't explain things well.
The front foot never lifts or shifts. Both feet remain facing plate. There is just the back hip shoving forward into the front hip. Like a little "swish" with the hips. Hips over back leg, then a shift to hips over front leg.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Not looking to describe something to someone that feels that they are already well versed on the topic.

I didn't say that the front foot tends to remain planted through the swing. I said once the front foot is 'planted' that it tends to remain 'planted'. From pitching, and your understanding of resistance, I'm confident that you can feel that. Then again ... maybe we are referring to 'planted' in a different sense .... I'm speaking of maintaining the resistance that is established, whether or not the planted foot becomes rotated further.

Here is my definition of planted-not allowed to move at all

<img alt="" src="http://i41.tinypic.com/16c86yt.gif" border="0">

Not planted-allowed to rotate through

<img alt="" src="http://i40.tinypic.com/28chohw.gif" border="0">

Sounds like we agree.

That's why I stated that I'd need to see the pro's demonstration along with the description. Comes down to the information being conveyed.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

I know I don't explain things well.
The front foot never lifts or shifts. Both feet remain facing plate. There is just the back hip shoving forward into the front hip. Like a little "swish" with the hips. Hips over back leg, then a shift to hips over front leg.

Okay .... sounds like you are talking about a no-stride approach.

While I disagree with mandating such an approach, it doesn't mean it won't work. You'll sometimes see Cabrera going back to a no-stride approach.

Many HS's play this game at a fairly low-level. In a sense, it can be thought of as an older age group of LL. Some HS coaches simply believe that it is easier to make contact without a stride.