Yes, keep the hips open or close the shoulders more, at release. Those are basic mechanical observations, the solution, finding the way to make those adjustments is always the hard part. Sometimes just knowing what the issue is will allow a pitcher to 'self organize' and make the necessary changes. Best case scenario she finds her own solution, maybe she firms up the landing leg or gets the glove arm more involved or some combination.
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Absolutely agree, I've told her that the ball goes that way because she is literally releasing it to that spot. I will take a look at the sticky again. Thanks for your input!
Understood, definitely something we're going to work on. I will update this post with her progress. Thank you!
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One more comparison and one more suggestion and I will leave you to your working with your daughter.
The comparison Jordy Bahl compared to your daughter.
My suggestion. Forget about the hips shoulders and everything else because until you fix your arm action i.e. getting both arms to do the same thing circling together your daughter will never reach your full potential my opinion.
All high level players have both their throwing arm and glove arm in sync as they create the circle.
I took a quick look at what were considered some of the best NCAA pitchers over the past 20 years or so (youtube ).
All of them glove arm follow circle of throwing arm. Some much more compact than today's players such as Bahl, but that's what they do.
Makes (to me) all the sense in the world because it creates in my opinion the best dynamic sequencing and transfer of the body to the ball.
So if your daughters delivery ever was close to having her glove side synchronized to her throwing side that's what I would revert to and start from there.
Big part of the problem is with her current glove side arm action as it is now she's basically pointed toward home plate the entire time which in my opinion predisposes her to stay open with her shoulders which traps are arm behind her.
The other thing is you can try playing around with hips and shoulders but you will never get the dynamic return on her ability to throw and by dynamic return I'm talking about velocity and believe it or not spin and control. Reason is because she will be more efficient and if you're more efficient you can throw harder with less effort.
Hope this is of some help if not to you hopefully somebody else.
The comparison Jordy Bahl compared to your daughter.
My suggestion. Forget about the hips shoulders and everything else because until you fix your arm action i.e. getting both arms to do the same thing circling together your daughter will never reach your full potential my opinion.
All high level players have both their throwing arm and glove arm in sync as they create the circle.
I took a quick look at what were considered some of the best NCAA pitchers over the past 20 years or so (youtube ).
All of them glove arm follow circle of throwing arm. Some much more compact than today's players such as Bahl, but that's what they do.
Makes (to me) all the sense in the world because it creates in my opinion the best dynamic sequencing and transfer of the body to the ball.
So if your daughters delivery ever was close to having her glove side synchronized to her throwing side that's what I would revert to and start from there.
Big part of the problem is with her current glove side arm action as it is now she's basically pointed toward home plate the entire time which in my opinion predisposes her to stay open with her shoulders which traps are arm behind her.
The other thing is you can try playing around with hips and shoulders but you will never get the dynamic return on her ability to throw and by dynamic return I'm talking about velocity and believe it or not spin and control. Reason is because she will be more efficient and if you're more efficient you can throw harder with less effort.
Hope this is of some help if not to you hopefully somebody else.
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Or, if you want to try something radical have her lean over to the side and tilt like the men do, she's set up to be able to experiment with this, especially with her glove arm action and shoulder openness. If you have been following the other thread on 'shoulder position at release' you'll know what I mean.
Interesting, I'll check it out.
I agree with this idea if she wants to try it. Between the two threads, you can tell that the men are solving this issue with a lean.
The whole lean thing the men do has me really confused. My DD pitching coach spent a lot of time getting my DD to stop doing that. She still does it some and I am wondering if we should just leave it alone.
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I'm with you on this, as much time as I have spent looking at video of the best college pitchers I have never really examined what the men do, until the 'Shoulder" thread, now I'm wondering if I've missed something. What they do is radically different from I have always considered good technique.
But, how the heck do you teach this, and beyond that since it is experimental, can I, in good conscience, select a student and give it a go?
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