NFHS Rule on presentation

[Ajaywill]

So when a pitcher stands on the rubber, glove on one side, ball on the hip on the opposite, begins a motion, in so doing the hands and ball touch and separate on the upward motion in front of or above the head, and I MEAN TOUCH, BALL DOES NOT GO IN THE GLOVE AT ALL, It's a progressive motion,NEVER IN THE GLOVE AND NO STOP, without seeing a video what would you think? NFHS Wi, WIAA

I know that rule, why they didn't enforce it for 7 innings, that team lost anyway, but it was so obvious.

The official made 1 trip to the mound maybe 2nd or 3rd inning and i know he was explaining and showing, it to both the pitcher and coach, however---

Tks for the NCAA also

As described, I see nothing illegal.

 

[djcarter1966]

If the ball is touching the glove then that satisfies the "together" part of the rule...as other have stated it is going to be really hard to argue the "one second" part of the rule and it sounds like she is clearly meeting the intent of the rules, getting video and a stopwatch out will verify whether she is meeting the letter of the rule, but that's not going to happen in game.

 

[1fingeredknuckler]

Time will tell,
She will not do this if she would ever be good enough for NCAA but that's a whole different case, when everyone starts talking about picking pitches, but that's not a rule, to bad she isn't taught the proper way even if this passes the smell test.

Want to see something strange, go to a ball game

 

[1fingeredknuckler]

2 second pause

Here are the NCAA rules.

10.1 Defensive Positioning Required for a Legal Pitch
10.1.1 The pitcher is considered to be in the pitching position when with her hands apart, she steps forward, puts both feet on the pitcher’s plate, and the catcher is in position to receive the pitch.
10.1.2 The pitcher may not take the pitching position on the pitcher’s plate without being in possession of the ball, and she may not simulate the pitching position with or without the ball when near the pitcher’s plate.
EFFECT—(10.1.1 and 10.1.2)—Delayed dead ball is signaled and illegal pitch enforced. (See Rule 10.8.)

Pitching Procedure​

10.2 Taking the Signal from the Catcher
10.2.1 Before starting a pitch, the pitcher must comply with the following:

10.2.1.1 Both feet must be on the ground in contact with the pitcher’s plate and a portion of the pivot foot must be on the top surface of the pitcher’s plate. Any part of each foot in contact with the ground or pitcher’s plate must be completely within the 24-inch length of the pitcher’s plate.
10.2.1.2 Hands must be separated.
10.2.1.3 The ball must be held and remain in one hand, either bare or gloved.
Notes:
1. Rolling (not tossing) the ball is legal as long as contact is maintained with the hand (including the wrist).
2. A ball dropped by the pitcher before her hands have come together and then separated shall be live and the base runner(s) may advance with liability to be put out.
10.2.1.4 The ball may be held in front of, at the side of or behind the body.​

10.2.2 While in this position, the pitcher shall pause to take or simulate taking a signal from the catcher.
Note: The rule does not preclude the pitcher from taking an earlier signal from someone who indicates the desired pitch and/or location nor the pitcher from referring to an armband prior to complying with Rule 10.2.2.
EFFECT—(10.2.1 and 10.2.2)—Delayed dead ball is signaled and illegal pitch enforced. (See Rule 10.8.)
10.2.3 After receiving the catcher’s signal, the pitcher’s hands must come together in view of the plate umpire for not more than five seconds.
Note: The hands do not have to come to a complete stop and, therefore, may be moving during the touch.
EFFECT—The ball is dead and a ball is awarded to the batter if the hands come together for more than five seconds. (See Rule 10.18.) Delayed dead ball is signaled and illegal pitch enforced if the pitcher does not bring her hands together at all. (See Rule 10.8.)

There was an illegal pitch just called in the LSU KY game, pitcher must pause 2 seconds before delivery once ball and hands in glove

 

[SoCal_Dad]

There was an illegal pitch just called in the LSU KY game, pitcher must pause 2 seconds before delivery once ball and hands in glove

I posted the rules from the current NCAA rule book. Sounds like the 'pause' requirement (10.2.2), which doesn't specify a time but could see them wanting more than 1 second. High-level pitchers generally put the ball in the glove to hide their grip, not because the rules require them to do it.

Anyone else see/know what happened?

 

[1fingeredknuckler]

I posted the rules from the current NCAA rule book. Sounds like the 'pause' requirement (10.2.2), which doesn't specify a time but could see them wanting more than 1 second. High-level pitchers generally put the ball in the glove to hide their grip, not because the rules require them to do it.

Anyone else see/know what happened?

You could ask the announcers they recited the rule correct as called, Could have been Michelle, i don;t remember, i saw the call and heard the description, maybe you can get a dvd of the game or as you asked ,some one else who saw it.

 

[SoCal_Dad]

You could ask the announcers they recited the rule correct as called, Could have been Michelle, i don;t remember, i saw the call and heard the description, maybe you can get a dvd of the game or as you asked ,some one else who saw it.

I found the video of the game - #13 LSU vs. #11 Kentucky (Second Round) (SEC Softball Tournament). The illegal pitch is in the bottom of the first at the 18:50 mark. The announcers were Amanda Scarborough and Adam Amin.

Amanda said a 2-second pause is required after getting the sign and she thought it starts when the hands come together. Adam talked about the hand going into the glove while describing the hands coming together in the replay. They didn't give any clarification on the call after the commercial break like they sometimes do after checking on it.

Rule 10.2.2 "While in this position, the pitcher shall pause to take or simulate taking a signal from the catcher."
- The "position" described in 10.2.1.2 is with the hands separated.
- The "pause" isn't separate from taking the signal - it is to take the signal (or simulate taking it).

Rule 10.2.3 "After receiving the catcher’s signal, the pitcher’s hands must come together in view of the plate umpire for not more than five seconds."

Clearly their explanation doesn't jive with the rules. If you watch closely, the home plate umpire signals the IP with his left arm when Hoover's hands came together and before she started her crouch. Take a look at the KY pitcher, Prince, whom clearly pauses with her hands separated rather than with her hands together.

I've never heard any specific time given for the pause in any rule set. Amanda's "2 seconds" may come from how she was coached to pause rather than how the rule is interpreted and enforced.

Many of the tv announcers struggle figuring out some calls when they happen and info after the commercial break is usually much better, however I've heard that get distorted too.

 

[1fingeredknuckler]

Maybe the umpire can give his explanation of his call? Interpretations? Maye it's the neighborhood call. Funny one said the rule is correct 2 seconds>?

Maybe there is some one here to contact?
http://www.ncaa.com/contact-us

 

[BretMan]

Never trust the television announcers to give correct rule interpretations. They're talking heads, not rule experts. Their "interpretations" are usually way off the mark.

 

[1fingeredknuckler]

Never trust the television announcers to give correct rule interpretations. They're talking heads, not rule experts. Their "interpretations" are usually way off the mark.

Having played the years they have, i think they are pretty knowledgeable , they are not just media folks
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I downloaded a version of the rules and can not see any thing on a 2 second pause, PAUSE yes after receiving the signal, and not more than 5 sec,so if there was not a pause in his opinion, fine, not sure where the 2 came in? interesting, also says the ball can be held behind the back or at the side, before coming together, kind of confusing as well saying hands may be in motion as has been said here,,, Guess some one needs to ask him?