Jordyn Bahl

[Gambler Bob]

I am watching the OU vs UCLA now. I do not see anything that I would call blatantly illegal about how Bahl is pitching. The umpires have called illegal pitches but I disagree with the calls.

 

[_MIA_]

A balk in baseball can be as subtle as a slight tilt of the head or a slump of the shoulder to a shift of one foot.

A slight flinch by an offensive linemen can result in a false start penalty.

Jumping to start too early is measured in thousandths of a second in track and swimming and speed skating.

Violations such as these are called every time they happen, resulting in significant penalties, even disqualification, because they give one person or team an unfair advantage over their opponent. And each of them are far more subtle than JBs two inch leap.

Not enforcing an egregious and repeated violation of the leaping rule, which gives the pitcher a substantial advantage, or saying “well that’s how they do it in Australia, or Japan, or in the mens game, or yeah it’s a violation but just live with it / she’s s freshman / you can’t call it every time” trivializes the violation and sends a message of - oh well, it’s only softball.

No way a college baseball pitcher would get away with illegal movement on every pitch.

You obviously missed/ignored the first part of my 1st sentence. The freshmen part was just me explaining why I think she is getting called for it now and why it may stop. Not an excuse for letting her do it. Let them call it everytime, fine with me. It isn't like I wear OU softball boxers around every day..

 

[jadefish]

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[radness]

While I agree a a rule is a rule, call it every time you see it or get rid of the rule, she is a freshmen. They are seeing if they can get in her head (assuming the opposing coaches are the ones bringing it to the attention to the umps). While the small leap she does doesn’t do much of anything in terms of gaining a competitive advantage from what I have read on here, making her think about it could effect her (along with getting the automatic ball)

Considering she shut down UCLA, the mind games seem to be not working. Also I would guess that by the time she is a Jr. that “rule” may be gone.

Granted it is early in the season, but the biggest takeways I took from that game, outside of Bahl, are
a) Faraimo pretty much shut down OU
b) UCLA's defense again "choked" in a big game

To the point of getting into people's heads... having a cantankerous issue with whether or not it should be called is called or is not called... can get into the offensive/batters heads.

quite possibly making something out of nothing

 

[Shiloh]

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More confirmation. Thanks.

Takeoff:



Landing:



Nice undisturbed dirt in between

 

[_MIA_]

Honest question how many other pitchers do this and @Shiloh are you going to get on every one of them too? Hope you have your DVR primed to record every D1,D2,D3,JUCO,NAIA game this year. I think you should start a thread...Illegal pitchers of 2022, a review

 

[riseball]

If you are not going to call an IP why test bats? Both allow a level of performance that is not possible within the rules of the game. Not that leaping in and of itself is an advantage. It most certainly is not. But it does allow some pitchers to attain a personal level of performance that is not possible when they are forced to pitch in accordance with the rules. Kelly Barnhill is a perfect example. When she got called she was much less effective. That along with a train wreck mental game took her out of some games.

 

[Shiloh]

I don't think most pitchers do this.

Why?

- most pitchers are not taught to leap, or they are specifically taught not to leap
- not everyone has the athleticism to leap
- they get called on it before it becomes a habit
- they get called on it after it becomes a habit but before they go to college
- they do not have complacent/complicit coaches who are willing to test boundaries
- and most of all....it's not that big of an advantage for them

But...is a rule a rule if everyone ignores it? is what most people on here seem to be asking.
And I'm having a hard time with that circular logic.

Either enforce the rule as it is, every time, or modify it.

 

[_MIA_]

I don't think most pitchers do this.

Why?

- most pitchers are not taught to leap, or they are specifically taught not to leap
- not everyone has the athleticism to leap
- they get called on it before it becomes a habit
- they get called on it after it becomes a habit but before they go to college
- they do not have complacent/complicit coaches who are willing to test boundaries
- and most of all....it's not that big of an advantage for them

But...is a rule a rule if everyone ignores it? is what most people on here seem to be asking.
And I'm having a hard time with that circular logic.

Either enforce the rule as it is, every time, or modify it.

I didn't ask if most did it, I said how many? 1 in 20? 1 in 30? What I will say is that if they called it every time on somebody as high profile as Bahl then that would certainly send a message. Doubt they have the gonads to do it though..

Like I said, I don't know if it gives a competitive advantage or not. Some say yes, some say no. If it doesn't then get rid of the rule so we can argue about something else on here...lol.

 

[Shiloh]

If you are not going to call an IP why test bats? Both allow a level of performance that is not possible within the rules of the game. Not that leaping in and of itself is an advantage. It most certainly is not. But it does allow some pitchers to attain a personal level of performance that is not possible when they are forced to pitch in accordance with the rules. Kelly Barnhill is a perfect example. When she got called she was much less effective. That along with a train wreck mental game took her out of some games.

Kelly Barnhill @ Florida​

Career Pitching Statistics

Season	ERA	W	L	APP	GS	CG	SHO	SV	IP	H	R	ER	BB	SO	2B	3B	HR	BF	BAVG	WP	HBP	BK	SFA	SHA
2016	1.37	15	1	26	24	7	6	1	107.1	52	24	21	54	164	5	0	7	442	.141	11	14	0	1	4
2017	0.51	26	4	37	30	17	13	3	193.2	79	22	14	40	359	12	2	5	708	.121	15	9	0	0	8
2018	1.08	29	3	41	38	23	11	0	214.1	85	46	33	76	324	9	0	21	810	.119	11	11	0	2	5
2019	1.61	34	14	52	45	29	14	3	287.0	150	70	66	81	358	18	6	22	1110	.152	15	31	0	3	8
Total	1.17	104	22	156	137	76	44	7	802.1	366	162	134	251	1205	44	8	55	3070	.134	52	65	0	6	25

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Umpires started calling out her illegal pitching at the end of 2018.