Help with swing

[Mudders Brudder]

The "lateral side bend" seen in a swing is an "effect", and not a "cause" of anything. It's the rear hip turning forward that's pulling everything above it (from the "bottom of the top" on up) forward with it. The top gear in that gif is the barrel turning rearward around the hands to be pulled forward by the lower half gear (engine)...it is not the bending laterally in the torso, and is should not be taught as such.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

The "lateral side bend" seen in a swing is an "effect", and not a "cause" of anything. It's the rear hip turning forward that's pulling everything above it (from the "bottom of the top" on up) forward with it. The top gear in that gif is the barrel turning rearward around the hands to be pulled forward by the lower half gear (engine)...it is not the bending laterally in the torso, and is should not be taught as such.

I know many believe this. Figured it was time that I added clarity.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

I know many believe this. Figured it was time that I added clarity.

So you truly believe that Arod is consciously thinking of laterally bending at a particular spot in his swing, and not just thinking about getting his "hips then hands" into it, and the ball...or did I miss read your post here?

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

So you truly believe that Arod is consciously thinking of laterally bending at a particular spot in his swing, and not just thinking about getting his "hips then hands" into it, and the ball...or did I miss read your post here?

Good hitters perform their thinking of mechanics outside of the batter's box. In the box it is a mentality more akin to "see ball, hit ball" ... they are in a reactionary mode. Outside of the batter's box many will work on building short-term muscle memory based on their particular feel of their swing's deficiency.

The action that many attribute to hips is inclusive of the core action ... which is not a singular one-dimensional action, but multiple actions that take place simultaneously.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

Good hitters perform their thinking of mechanics outside of the batter's box. In the box it is a mentality more akin to "see ball, hit ball" ... they are in a reactionary mode. Outside of the batter's box many will work on building short-term muscle memory based on their particular feel of their swing's deficiency.

OK, but you know what I was talking about, and I'll leave it at that.

The action that many attribute to hips is inclusive of the core action ... which is not a singular one-dimensional action, but multiple actions that take place simultaneously.

Let's narrow this down then to just what you're saying. Do you believe that Arod in your example, or any professional hitter practices the timing of their lateral bend in order to incorporate the timing of it into their swing to subconsciously use later at the plate when they're thinking "see ball, hit ball"?

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Let's narrow this down then to just what you're saying. Do you believe that Arod in your example, or any professional hitter practices the timing of their lateral bend in order to incorporate the timing of it into their swing to subconsciously use later at the plate when they're thinking "see ball, hit ball"?

Good athletes develop movement patterns that are highly effective. The lateral tilt occurring simultaneous with the lower core rotation is one such movement pattern.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

Good athletes develop movement patterns that are highly effective. The lateral tilt occurring simultaneous with the lower core rotation is one such movement pattern.

IOWs, "no they don't". Got it, thanks for the roundabout answer confirming that it's not a "cause" or a "teach", but rather just an "effect" of other practiced movements of the hitter.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

IOWs, "no they don't". Got it, thanks for the roundabout answer confirming that it's not a "cause" or a "teach", but rather just an "effect" of other practiced movements of the hitter.

I understand that you desire a particular answer.

A hitters sequence is intimately involved with their timing ... or at least it should be.

The lateral tilting process is important ... and one of the bigger flaws we see in young hitters posting their swing here at DFP.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

I understand that you desire a particular answer.

A hitters sequence is intimately involved with their timing ... or at least it should be.

The lateral tilting process is important ... and one of the bigger flaws we see in young hitters posting their swing here at DFP.

Not looking for a particular answer (just an direct one), and do believe that lateral tilting does happen within the swing. I just think it's important to identify why it happens, in order to determine what should, and shouldn't be taught wrt it...to make sure it's part of the process, and not an initiating process of it or the swing.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Not looking for a particular answer (just an direct one), and do believe that lateral tilting does happen within the swing. I just think it's important to identify why it happens, in order to determine what should, and shouldn't be taught wrt it...to make sure it's part of the process, and not an initiating process of it or the swing.

Just as you believe the lower body's rotational movement in the direction towards the pitcher is an active process, so is the lateral tilting action.