Help with swing

[RichK]

It's a unified core movement (including lateral tilt ) triggered by a core pulse.

Ah yes, the infamous 'core pulse', or the *look* you get when you pull back against a driving rear leg....

 

[Buttermaker]

The rear hip joint via the rear leg initiates the tilt. Whatever happens next is a result of that. It's a no teach. Try teaching kids to laterally bend the torso to swing and see what happens...talk about dumping.

The front hip opens because the rear leg wants to work under the pelvis.

The core pulse stiffens to protect the spine.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

The rear hip joint via the rear leg initiates the tilt. Whatever happens next is a result of that. It's a no teach. Try teaching kids to laterally bend the torso to swing and see what happens...talk about dumping.

The front hip opens because the rear leg wants to work under the pelvis.

The core pulse stiffens to protect the spine.

I've done this with kids as young as 9. At first the notion of simultaneously tilting and turning may seem a bit foreign .... but they catch on rather quickly ... it's just not that complicated. In fact, often you have to tell them something such as "more tilt, less turn". I borrowed that cue from someone ... and can say that it works quite well for many young hitters.

 

[Buttermaker]

So, you teach laterally bend the spine?

 

[Buttermaker]

What do you tell them to turn? What do you tell them to tilt? The answer shouldn't be that complicated.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

What do you tell them to turn? What do you tell them to tilt? The answer shouldn't be that complicated.

I have them cross their arms and place their hands on their shoulders. I do the same. I then simply tell them to turn to the pitcher. We both do this slowly. Generally three times.

I then tell them to tilt back to the catcher. We both do this slowly three times.

Then I tell them that I want them to tilt and turn at the same time ... for just the very beginning ... and that I want to do this tilt & turn quickly.

If the kid was a bug squisher .... that goes away ... which is a nice plus.

We pick up a bat ... walk away from our hands ... i.e., get the slack out of our system ... and swing with the body capturing transition with the tilting/turning action.

I'm pretty sure that description meets your request for simplicity .

 

[Mudders Brudder]

I have them cross their arms and place their hands on their shoulders. I do the same.

I'm sorry, but I have to ask....

From the above mentioned position, are you able to turn just your rear leg and hip forward like Turner, and Griffey are doing (a couple posts up)....without tilting your shoulders and/or torso?

Open question for everyone, not just FFS. I know I can't, and I would just like to know if that's just me, or if others experience the same thing.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

I'm sorry, but I have to ask....

From the above mentioned position, are you able to turn just your rear leg and hip forward like Turner, and Griffey are doing (a couple posts up)....without tilting your shoulders and/or torso?

Open question for everyone, not just FFS. I know I can't, and I would just like to know if that's just me, or if others experience the same thing.

I suspect you may be over complicating it .... or perhaps my description was overly simplistic.

Imagine a motion similar to this for the isolated turn to the pitcher.

That's it ... turn to the pitcher.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

I suspect you may be over complicating it .... or perhaps my description was overly simplistic.

Perhaps, but I'm reading you adding what seems to me an unnecessary step in the "tilt back to the catcher" part...if that's already accomplished automatically if/when the rear leg and hip turn toward the ball (not gonna say "pitcher" because I think that doesn't illustrate my true belief as was confused earlier), and why I asked if anyone else could turn the lower half forward w/o the top half tilting rearward in response to it.

Imagine a motion similar to this for the isolated turn to the pitcher.

That's it ... turn to the pitcher.

Lost me here...turn what to the pitcher? You certainly can't mean turn the torso or shoulders towards the pitcher, and that's all I'm really seeing in the above gif. When the hips turn forward the torso/shoulders should still be turning or resisting (better term) rearwards. No?

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Lost me here...turn what to the pitcher? You certainly can't mean turn the torso or shoulders towards the pitcher, and that's all I'm really seeing in the above gif. When the hips turn forward the torso/shoulders should still be turning or resisting (better term) rearwards. No?

Sure that's what I mean .... simply isolating the body's rotation (i.e., turning to the ball) without the inclusion of lateral side bend.