ASA substitution rules
- Thread starter ILcoach
- Start date
Welcome to Discuss Fastpitch
Your FREE Account is waiting to the Best Softball Community on the Web.
If you are playing straight ASA rules, yes you only bat 9 players. You can use the DP/Flex which has 10 players in the lineup, but only the first 9 bat. Every player has 1 reentry, once a player has occupied a spot in the batting order, that is the only position they may reenter.
Let's say you use the DP/Flex and have 10 in the lineup. ...
Can the Flex bat? If so, must she bat for the DP?
Can the DP play in the field? What are the restrictions?
If you have a sub, can she play the field with unlimited entry?
There have been several discussion on the dp/flex over the past few months on the board. Without going into an in depth description on this thread you might want to do a search for previous threads.
In a nut shell, the dp is an offensive position and is in one of the first 9 spots on the lineup, the flex is a defensive position and is listed 10th on the lineup. Flex does not bat, but does have the ability to replace the DP and bat in their place in the lineup, if that happens the DP has left the game. DP can play defense for anyone other than the flex and it is not a substitution, if the DP does play defense for the flex the flex has left the game. You can switch back and forth betweeen 9 and 10 in the lineup any number of times during the course of a game.
All substitutes are to be reported to the umpire, even defensive substitutions. A sub does not have unlimited entries on defense, each player is only entitled to 1 reentry and once a player occupies a spot on the lineup they may only reenter in that spot in the lineup.
- Mar 29, 2012
- 376
- 0
For NSA there are no limit on subs correct? And you can bat full lineup, basically the same as pool play.
RULE 4 PLAYERS & SUBSTITUTIONS
Any non-player who is not yet considered an adult, may not be between the fences or boundaries that are considered the playing field without a NOCSAE approved helmet with a NOCSAE approved face mask properly attached. Any youth division bat boys/bat girls who are the team’s official bat boy/bat girl or who are team members serving as bat boy/bat girl must wear a NOCSAE approved helmet with a NOCSAE approved face mask properly attached and worn at all times when in the playing area or dugout. PENALTY: The player, non-player, bat boy or bat girl will put the helmet on or be removed from the playing area.
SECTION 1
A team shall consist of nine (9), ten (10), eleven (11), or twelve (12) players if the optional extra player (EP) is used. Players of the team in the field may be stationed anywhere on fair territory, except the catcher, who must be in the catcher’s box, and the pitcher, who must be in a legal pitching position at the start of each pitch. No part of the defensive player’s foot (except catcher) may be on or outside the foul line from the time when the pitcher steps on the rubber or until the pitch is released. Teams can play a maximum of ten (10) players on defense and a minimum of nine (9). In the case where a team starts a game with nine players, the vacant 10th spot in the batting order shall be declared an out for the entire game. However, should the 10th player arrive, the team may insert the 10th player into the line-up with no penalty. Inserting the 10th player into the line-up would eliminate the automatic out. If a team is playing the game with ten(10) players, and a player is removed from the game for any reason, that team may continue to play with nine (9) players, with the vacated spot in the batting order being declared an out. When a team is left with a vacant spot in the lineup because of the removal of a player or having only nine (9) players, as described in Section 4 (a), the opposing team with two (2) outs may not intentionally or unintentionally walk the previous batter, in order to get to the ―automatic out‖ created by the vacant spot in the batting order. Refer to Rule 4 Sec. 4 (b) & (c). Under no circumstances may a team play with less than nine (9) players.
a) A team must have the required number of players present in the team area to start or continue a game. Players listed in the starting line-up and not available at game time may be substituted for and re-entered later.
1) Official line-up cards are to be completed and submitted to the official scorekeeper or the umpire at the start of each game. The line- up shall contain the first and last name, position and uniform number of each player.
21
NOTE: If a wrong number is on the line-up card, correct it and continue playing ball with no penalty.
2) Their last name, first name and uniform number should be listed for all available substitutes in the designated place on the line up card.
3) Eligible roster members may be added to the available substitute list any time during the game. SECTION 2 EXTRA PLAYER (EP)
a) Any team may use one (1) or two (2) Extra Players (EP) per game provided it is made known prior to the start of the game and properly indicated in the lineup.
b) The EP must remain in the same position in the batting order for the entire game.
c) The EP may play defense at any time without his/her status being affected. He/she may go in and out of the defensive lineup as often as needed as long as his/her position in the official batting order is not altered.
d) The EP may be substituted for at any time with the substitute becoming the new EP. The substitute must be a player who has not been in the game.
NOTE: See Rule 4, Section 4, for removal of the EP from the game. SECTION 3
Any of the starting players may be withdrawn from the game and re-entered once (including the starting EP), provided that the players occupy the original position in the batting order whenever in the game.
NOTE: The original player and his/her substitute cannot be in the game at the same time.
a) Violation of the re-entry rule results in the use of an illegal player. Penalty shall be the immediate ejection of the illegal player when the violation is brought to the attention of the umpire by the offended team. EFFECT: An illegal player violation results in the immediate ejection of the illegal player. In youth play the coach is also ejected.
b) Violation of the re-entry is handled as an appeal, which can be made anytime during the game. SECTION 4
A team must have the required number of players to start or continue a game. Requirements are:
a) A team must have a minimum of nine (9), ten (10), eleven (11), or twelve (12) players with which it started the game with the exception of vacated spots where players are removed for any reason. At no time may a team play more than ten (10) players defensively.
b) If a team starts with the EP’S and any player is removed, injured, or ejected from the game with no substitute to replace the removed, injured or ejected player, the vacated spot automatically becomes an out each time the vacant spot comes to bat or anytime a runner is removed from the base with no legal substitution.
c) When a team is left with a vacant spot in the lineup because of the removal of a player, as described in Section 4 (a), the opposing team may not with two (2) outs intentionally or unintentionally walk the previous batter, in order to get to the “automatic out” created by the vacant spot in the batting order.
22
d) If the previous batter is walked, the vacant spot in the batting order is skipped, the “automatic out” is waived, and the next batter is the player whose name follows the vacant spot in the batting order. This only applies when there are two (2) outs. SECTION 5
A player shall be officially in the game when his/her name has been entered on the official score sheet or has been announced. The following regulations govern the substitution of players:
a) The manager or team representative shall notify the plate umpire at the time a substitute enters the game. Failure to notify the umpire of a substitution would create an illegal substitution with the penalty – IMMEDIATE EJECTION FROM THE GAME WHENEVER THE INFRACTION IS DISCOVERED.
NOTE: Re-entry is considered a substitution, and if an illegal entry occurs, the penalty is the immediate ejection of the illegal player.
b) Substitute players will be considered in the game as follows:
1) When a batter, when he/she takes his/her place in the batter’s box.
2) When a fielder, when he/she takes the place of the fielder he/she is substituting.
3) When a runner, when he/she replaces the player on the base he/she is holding.
4) When a pitcher, when he/she takes his/her place on the pitcher’s plate.
In 1-4 above, in each case a pitch has to be thrown or a play has to have been made.
c) Each pitcher (starter or substitute) must pitch until the first batter facing him/her has completed his/her turn at bat, the side has been retired or he/she has been removed from the game, unless the pitcher sustains an injury or illness which in the judgment of the home plate umpire incapacitates the pitcher from pitching. A pitcher removed from the game, by rule or ejection, is not subject to this rule 5 (c). Any other player may be removed from the game at any time.
d) A player substituted for in the game shall not participate in the games except as a coach.
EXCEPTION: The starting lineup, including the ―EP‖ may re-enter once.
NOTE: Any player participating in any NSA sanctioned event must be physically able to participate. By physically able, the player must be able to walk on and off the field and play the game as intended. This is intended to keep injured people from further injury.
NOTE: A player’s correct name supersedes error if an incorrect number has been entered on the score sheet.
Any non-player who is not yet considered an adult, may not be between the fences or boundaries that are considered the playing field without a NOCSAE approved helmet with a NOCSAE approved face mask properly attached. Any youth division bat boys/bat girls who are the team’s official bat boy/bat girl or who are team members serving as bat boy/bat girl must wear a NOCSAE approved helmet with a NOCSAE approved face mask properly attached and worn at all times when in the playing area or dugout. PENALTY: The player, non-player, bat boy or bat girl will put the helmet on or be removed from the playing area.
SECTION 1
A team shall consist of nine (9), ten (10), eleven (11), or twelve (12) players if the optional extra player (EP) is used. Players of the team in the field may be stationed anywhere on fair territory, except the catcher, who must be in the catcher’s box, and the pitcher, who must be in a legal pitching position at the start of each pitch. No part of the defensive player’s foot (except catcher) may be on or outside the foul line from the time when the pitcher steps on the rubber or until the pitch is released. Teams can play a maximum of ten (10) players on defense and a minimum of nine (9). In the case where a team starts a game with nine players, the vacant 10th spot in the batting order shall be declared an out for the entire game. However, should the 10th player arrive, the team may insert the 10th player into the line-up with no penalty. Inserting the 10th player into the line-up would eliminate the automatic out. If a team is playing the game with ten(10) players, and a player is removed from the game for any reason, that team may continue to play with nine (9) players, with the vacated spot in the batting order being declared an out. When a team is left with a vacant spot in the lineup because of the removal of a player or having only nine (9) players, as described in Section 4 (a), the opposing team with two (2) outs may not intentionally or unintentionally walk the previous batter, in order to get to the ―automatic out‖ created by the vacant spot in the batting order. Refer to Rule 4 Sec. 4 (b) & (c). Under no circumstances may a team play with less than nine (9) players.
a) A team must have the required number of players present in the team area to start or continue a game. Players listed in the starting line-up and not available at game time may be substituted for and re-entered later.
1) Official line-up cards are to be completed and submitted to the official scorekeeper or the umpire at the start of each game. The line- up shall contain the first and last name, position and uniform number of each player.
21
NOTE: If a wrong number is on the line-up card, correct it and continue playing ball with no penalty.
2) Their last name, first name and uniform number should be listed for all available substitutes in the designated place on the line up card.
3) Eligible roster members may be added to the available substitute list any time during the game. SECTION 2 EXTRA PLAYER (EP)
a) Any team may use one (1) or two (2) Extra Players (EP) per game provided it is made known prior to the start of the game and properly indicated in the lineup.
b) The EP must remain in the same position in the batting order for the entire game.
c) The EP may play defense at any time without his/her status being affected. He/she may go in and out of the defensive lineup as often as needed as long as his/her position in the official batting order is not altered.
d) The EP may be substituted for at any time with the substitute becoming the new EP. The substitute must be a player who has not been in the game.
NOTE: See Rule 4, Section 4, for removal of the EP from the game. SECTION 3
Any of the starting players may be withdrawn from the game and re-entered once (including the starting EP), provided that the players occupy the original position in the batting order whenever in the game.
NOTE: The original player and his/her substitute cannot be in the game at the same time.
a) Violation of the re-entry rule results in the use of an illegal player. Penalty shall be the immediate ejection of the illegal player when the violation is brought to the attention of the umpire by the offended team. EFFECT: An illegal player violation results in the immediate ejection of the illegal player. In youth play the coach is also ejected.
b) Violation of the re-entry is handled as an appeal, which can be made anytime during the game. SECTION 4
A team must have the required number of players to start or continue a game. Requirements are:
a) A team must have a minimum of nine (9), ten (10), eleven (11), or twelve (12) players with which it started the game with the exception of vacated spots where players are removed for any reason. At no time may a team play more than ten (10) players defensively.
b) If a team starts with the EP’S and any player is removed, injured, or ejected from the game with no substitute to replace the removed, injured or ejected player, the vacated spot automatically becomes an out each time the vacant spot comes to bat or anytime a runner is removed from the base with no legal substitution.
c) When a team is left with a vacant spot in the lineup because of the removal of a player, as described in Section 4 (a), the opposing team may not with two (2) outs intentionally or unintentionally walk the previous batter, in order to get to the “automatic out” created by the vacant spot in the batting order.
22
d) If the previous batter is walked, the vacant spot in the batting order is skipped, the “automatic out” is waived, and the next batter is the player whose name follows the vacant spot in the batting order. This only applies when there are two (2) outs. SECTION 5
A player shall be officially in the game when his/her name has been entered on the official score sheet or has been announced. The following regulations govern the substitution of players:
a) The manager or team representative shall notify the plate umpire at the time a substitute enters the game. Failure to notify the umpire of a substitution would create an illegal substitution with the penalty – IMMEDIATE EJECTION FROM THE GAME WHENEVER THE INFRACTION IS DISCOVERED.
NOTE: Re-entry is considered a substitution, and if an illegal entry occurs, the penalty is the immediate ejection of the illegal player.
b) Substitute players will be considered in the game as follows:
1) When a batter, when he/she takes his/her place in the batter’s box.
2) When a fielder, when he/she takes the place of the fielder he/she is substituting.
3) When a runner, when he/she replaces the player on the base he/she is holding.
4) When a pitcher, when he/she takes his/her place on the pitcher’s plate.
In 1-4 above, in each case a pitch has to be thrown or a play has to have been made.
c) Each pitcher (starter or substitute) must pitch until the first batter facing him/her has completed his/her turn at bat, the side has been retired or he/she has been removed from the game, unless the pitcher sustains an injury or illness which in the judgment of the home plate umpire incapacitates the pitcher from pitching. A pitcher removed from the game, by rule or ejection, is not subject to this rule 5 (c). Any other player may be removed from the game at any time.
d) A player substituted for in the game shall not participate in the games except as a coach.
EXCEPTION: The starting lineup, including the ―EP‖ may re-enter once.
NOTE: Any player participating in any NSA sanctioned event must be physically able to participate. By physically able, the player must be able to walk on and off the field and play the game as intended. This is intended to keep injured people from further injury.
NOTE: A player’s correct name supersedes error if an incorrect number has been entered on the score sheet.
Basically, if you're playing by the book, it's the same. Any player my re-enter once. Rule 4, Section 3.
If you use EP's (extra player) then you can bat 10 or 11. At that point, they can enter the defense as often as you want, but they retain their spot in the batting lineup.
In ASA, must the courtesy runner be a sub if you have one?
It has to be someone who has not been in the game.
Last edited:
- Jun 22, 2008
- 3,438
- 48
I strongly suggest that if the op IS NOT familiar with standard rules regarding the line-ups and batting order, that s/he refrain from using the DP/Flex until they can sit down and learn exactly what the rule permits. And, IMO, this is not the place to do it as you will get a lot of co-mingled info and if you start an argument with an umpire using a web-site as a reference, you may not need to be worried about the line up much longer.
You don't want to mess up a game or tournament based on a simple misunderstanding. It is a participation rule that some believe is a strategy gem, but can get quite complicated. It seems that some coaches try to twist the rule around their wants instead of just using what the rule permits. I would suggest you find a reputable coach which knowledge of this rule and get him/her to sit down with an umpire qualified to teach the rules (the real rules, not local configurations) and hash it out. The umpire will not mind explaining the finer points once the coach lays out the rule for you. You may have to ply him/her with an adult beverage or two...... but it is better to have both of them there with the rule book so all info you get is first hand.
Similar threads
Latest posts
-
Batter interferences with catcher on wild pitch. Does runner from 3rd score?- Latest: The Man In Blue
-
-
-
-