Bat Path

[julray]

Julray, in there defense I don't believe they ever figured out on there own or were never taught the fyb leveraged position... So they are a little angry that there career was shortened.

That's possible, anything is possible... Funny thing is in some of there demos they actually display good posture and FYB.. then when demoing a swing using Yelich's, Trout's etc hand action they remove the FYB and posture.

I once asked a question on here.. show me a swing with good posture and sequence and poor barrel path.. still waiting

 

[BigSkyHi]

That's 3 questions, I'm charging for the extra one..

1. They are not wrong
2. Of course not.. and why do I need to?
3. Yes you should

IMO you are falling into the same trap.. Trout demos "down to". Is he in a FYB position with good posture while doing so? No. Does any of his body movements, legs, core etc look to same to you in his demo vs game swing? No. We have posters on here who tried to demo down to with a HL swing movement.. they couldn't do it. They ended up being AFAB, or 0 posture.. guess what happened when they added in the proper sequence and good posture with the same down to motion? HL swing, proper barrel path with the same hand action.

Yuppers. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[BigSkyHi]

That's possible, anything is possible... Funny thing is in some of there demos they actually display good posture and FYB.. then when demoing a swing using Yelich's, Trout's etc hand action they remove the FYB and posture.

I once asked a question on here.. show me a swing with good posture and sequence and poor barrel path.. still waiting

Think you need to be a bit more insistent on this type of simplicity.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

That's possible, anything is possible... Funny thing is in some of there demos they actually display good posture and FYB.. then when demoing a swing using Yelich's, Trout's etc hand action they remove the FYB and posture.

I once asked a question on here.. show me a swing with good posture and sequence and poor barrel path.. still waiting

Exactly, and one might curiously ask...of what benefit is that when trying to teach a young(er) person how to swing a bat?

To your second point/question....yes, and still a similar question as my first...why would one want to teach something that appears to be an "effect" (barrel path), before trying to teach the actual root "cause" of it (good posture and proper sequence out of it...refer to question one just above)?

 

[DRDRODD]

Couple little things that need to be factored into anyone's and everyone's theories...

• Muscles pull, they don't push ("concentric contraction")
• In order to have a "Stretch Shorten Cycle" (SSC) - one must have one muscle (or set of muscles) that "shortens", thus "stretching" an opposing muscle (or set of muscles)...for the muscle(s) being "stretched" to then at some point in to time "shorten" again in the "cycle" (stretching their opposing muscle(s) in the process - something to think about when hitters injure certain muscles or muscle groups in their swing...are the injuring them do to too much sudden contraction/shortening, or too much sudden "stretching"/lengthening?).

Simultaneous contraction of opposing muscles (say biceps and triceps) is called an "isometric contraction" (not allowing the muscles to lengthen or shorten), and basically produces very little to really no movement at all.

Same thing applies along other opposing front to back muscle groups. Sorry, not my fault, It's just that darn little inconvenient science thing popping its head in where it don't belong again.

NOTE: The above is said with acknowledgment of "eccentric contractions" as well, but which require an outside force or weight the muscles are working against. A bat is not anywhere near a large enough weight for it to elicit any sort of eccentric contractions within the swing process. The only time eccentric contractions come into play wrt a bat...is possibly when choosing one, and the hitter may find one too heavy if the bat/barrel drops under the hitter's lack of strength ("eccentric contractions") to hold the bat out at arm's length parallel to the ground.

Below is a pretty good article about what I have been posting about the last couple of days, please read it and tell me what you think.

Anyone else that has been following along or participated please read also and share your thoughts....

My take away is don’t coach out their natural tendencies aka don’t let the brain get in the way.

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[BigSkyHi]

Below is a pretty good article about what I have been posting about the last couple of days, please read it and tell me what you think.

Anyone else who has been following along or precipitated please read also and share your thoughts....

My take away is don’t coach out their natural tendencies aka don’t let the brain get in the way.

can learn walking cat no brain

Advanced regenerative orthobiologic injection treatments for injuries, arthritis, athletes & more. Regenexx is the trusted alternative to surgery.

regenexx.com

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Most awesome! We can be 'The Natural' as hitters if they leave us alone after showing how to get into position, just yell 'let it fly'?

 

[julray]

Exactly, and one might curiously ask...of what benefit is that when trying to teach a young(er) person how to swing a bat?

To your second point/question....yes, and still a similar question as my first...why would one want to teach something that appears to be an "effect" (barrel path), before trying to teach the actual root "cause" of it (good posture and proper sequence out of it...refer to question one just above)?

1. It's good to be curious, but isn't the answer obvious to your question?
2. If you understand and learn the cause.. the effect is the result.

 

[DRDRODD]

Most awesome! We can be 'The Natural' as hitters if they leave us alone after showing how to get into position, just yell 'let it fly'?

Could anyone of our kids be the next Trout or Barry Bonds....... maybe....... but probably not lol..... they are just made different....... the point is, natural efficiency is coached out of kids WAY to often.


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[julray]

1. It's good to be curious, but isn't the answer obvious to your question?
2. If you understand and learn the cause.. the effect is the result.

At anytime BigSky.. jump in. Love to hear your thoughts on this

 

[Buttermaker]

Are the Trouts, Yeliches, Bonds of the world thinking down bc they know how it feels to really compress the ball at contact? It's less about bat speed and more about leverage. Cross body rotation steers you into compression. Need to get your lead foot weighted properly so your middle can steer.

Of course, they don't hit down through the ball so the way they use their middle allows them to get FyB.

If your intention is to use your middle to create rotation then what is above and below that will shut down somewhat.

ABAF is syncing the top and bottom and neglecting the middle.