Bat Path

[Buttermaker]

Soooo, i have a question. In working with my DD i have tried to get her to feel her core, and with that the obliques and abs (to a lesser degree). So i pretend i am going to punch her in the side and have her scrunch up. I feel the oblique crunch 'launches' the swing and starts the turn around the spine. This is to limit the 'armsy' swing my DD had/has. It is more scrunch i feel to get more tilt and more around - like twisting, on the higher pitches, less tilt.

I have recently tried to feel hip extension thru glute and hammy actions based on info i got from my DD's strength and conditioning coach. But when i see someone like Miggy have a relatively 'dead leg' and more of an anchor, i cannot see how the rear leg propels or drives anything. I can see where it is used as a 'mover' (as you called it) but more just as a carrier to get the body out where it needs to go. Less so on a no stride swing.

So i am of the mind the obliques do a lot. Maybe i missed your describing something different. So apologies if i am off base. Thanks in advance.

Exactly. The rear leg does not propel anything. It supports. If it turns the pelvis before the obliques do their thing you're toast.

 

[Work=wins]

 

[james27503]

Exactly. The rear leg does not propel anything. It supports. If it turns the pelvis before the obliques do their thing you're toast.

Soooo, i have a question. In working with my DD i have tried to get her to feel her core, and with that the obliques and abs (to a lesser degree). So i pretend i am going to punch her in the side and have her scrunch up. I feel the oblique crunch 'launches' the swing and starts the turn around the spine. This is to limit the 'armsy' swing my DD had/has. It is more scrunch i feel to get more tilt and more around - like twisting, on the higher pitches, less tilt.

I have recently tried to feel hip extension thru glute and hammy actions based on info i got from my DD's strength and conditioning coach. But when i see someone like Miggy have a relatively 'dead leg' and more of an anchor, i cannot see how the rear leg propels or drives anything. I can see where it is used as a 'mover' (as you called it) but more just as a carrier to get the body out where it needs to go. Less so on a no stride swing.

So i am of the mind the obliques do a lot. Maybe i missed your describing something different. So apologies if i am off base. Thanks in advance.

Tell her to choke up on the bat. Then you grab the knob directly behind her. Tell her she has to get the knob to the pitcher as fast and has hard as she can. You will resist her like you are in a tug of war. If she uses her arm, shoulders, she will be weak. If she plants her rear leg into the ground with the pressure on the inside of her rear foot and she uses her core and bottom hand to yank that knob incredible aggressively toward the pitcher, then you are halfway there. Battle her in this move. Resist. Make her turn with everything she has to get that knob forward. Do it again and again until she is pulling with a force you have to fight against.

If she can understand this part then the rest is easy. It is simply straight to the ball. Chop Chop. From there.

 

[BigSkyHi]

Tell her to choke up on the bat. Then you grab the knob directly behind her. Tell her she has to get the knob to the pitcher as fast and has hard as she can. You will resist her like you are in a tug of war. If she uses her arm, shoulders, she will be weak. If she plants her rear leg into the ground with the pressure on the inside of her rear foot and she uses her core and bottom hand to yank that knob incredible aggressively toward the pitcher, then you are halfway there. Battle her in this move. Resist. Make her turn with everything she has to get that knob forward. Do it again and again until she is pulling with a force you have to fight against.

If she can understand this part then the rest is easy. It is simply straight to the ball. Chop Chop. From there.

What goes simply straight to the ball?

 

[Rolling Hard]

He is turning the barrel after or during launch.

 

[Work=wins]

 

[fanboi22]

Tell her to choke up on the bat. Then you grab the knob directly behind her. Tell her she has to get the knob to the pitcher as fast and has hard as she can. You will resist her like you are in a tug of war. If she uses her arm, shoulders, she will be weak. If she plants her rear leg into the ground with the pressure on the inside of her rear foot and she uses her core and bottom hand to yank that knob incredible aggressively toward the pitcher, then you are halfway there. Battle her in this move. Resist. Make her turn with everything she has to get that knob forward. Do it again and again until she is pulling with a force you have to fight against.

If she can understand this part then the rest is easy. It is simply straight to the ball. Chop Chop. From there.

Is there a less dangerous version of this drill? haha.

 

[2br02b]

Is there a less dangerous version of this drill? haha.

Use a PVC pipe.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

Soooo, i have a question. In working with my DD i have tried to get her to feel her core, and with that the obliques and abs (to a lesser degree). So i pretend i am going to punch her in the side and have her scrunch up. I feel the oblique crunch 'launches' the swing and starts the turn around the spine. This is to limit the 'armsy' swing my DD had/has. It is more scrunch i feel to get more tilt and more around - like twisting, on the higher pitches, less tilt.

I have recently tried to feel hip extension thru glute and hammy actions based on info i got from my DD's strength and conditioning coach. But when i see someone like Miggy have a relatively 'dead leg' and more of an anchor, i cannot see how the rear leg propels or drives anything. I can see where it is used as a 'mover' (as you called it) but more just as a carrier to get the body out where it needs to go. Less so on a no stride swing.

So i am of the mind the obliques do a lot. Maybe i missed your describing something different. So apologies if i am off base. Thanks in advance.

Actually, I like what you're describing, because I think it illustrates the two different movement patterns. So I'm going to respond your comments/questions using your boxing example so-to-speak (I know you didn't and wouldn't actually punch you DD like I'm going to describe or ask).

Let's first focus on your punch which I'm actually more interested in, but let's ramp it up a bit so you're going to throw a "power" punch instead of just a jab to the side, because I hope that that's what we're looking for in future corresponding bat swings...power swings, and not just slap hitting, which a "jab" swing would work just fine, probably even better for that matter.

So when you're ready to start your punch, do you feel you want or do any coiling of the hips/pelvic girdle (PG) around the rear hip (or do you at least unweight your front leg, and get the majority of weight into your rear one)? Do you then start taking/moving that rear hip forward toward you opponent - not necessarily rotating forward, but some rearward rotation could/would be acceptable - as you simultaneously draw back your rear arm/hand (the lead one can come back with it) in preparation to throw the punch? Or do you step forward with, and onto your lead as you draw back your rear arm/hand to prepare to throw the punch?

As your moving forward and begin coming down and starting to touch down and weight the front toes/foot, are you starting to get slightly lowered into your legs (if you picked the former above), or are you staying more up right, and more or less starting to move you weight across your body from one leg to the other (if you picked the latter above)...as you continue to pull back your arm/hand as you stretch your torso/trunk rearward?

Now as you begin to think about throwing/launching your punch, are you looking to lead by driving your rear hip forward from your now somewhat "lowered" position (relatively speaking), and directing it towards or in the direction of the point of contact, as you begin leveraging your body with your two legs to stop your forward movement, as it then begins to "pull" your body around from that "ground up" position, as now the whole system sequence now turning forward pulls the rear arm/hand into the short "power" punch into your opponent? Also, when your hand contacts your opponent, do you want your arm still somewhat bent and closer to your body, or do you want it outstretched at or near the end of its range of motion (ROM)? Or...

When thinking about throwing/launching your punch, are you looking to lead by shifting your weight to your front leg, as you twist/turn your torso forward with your obliques? Or lets assume you're in a pre-punch/swing "leveraged" position, how does the "oblique crunch" which is a lateral tilting/leaning twisting movement of the torso....actually launch or fire the hips below them so that "the hips lead the hands", or do you not worry about that and it doesn't factor into your swing theory or thought wrt it?

IOWs, I can twist and turn my torso with my obliques w/o ever moving my hips, but I can't turn my hips w/o starting to turn my lower torso. I also want my sequence to be from the "ground up" and not from the "top down", which would mean that I'd have to move the thing closer to the ground first to keep things going up in proper order.

Hope that better explains my take on the swing. If not, please ask more questions, or explain something differently to me, helps us both learn. Sorry for the long post, just didn't know how to describe it in an any shorter manner. =(

 

[Mudders Brudder]

Is there a less dangerous version of this drill? haha.

It's just a tug-of-war drill - and a pretty good drill for sure - so a towel or a piece of rope works just fine also, and both are much easier to hold and get the same results/feel you're looking for.