Early bat speed - does it exist?

[Work=wins]

Yeah because being right on a discussion board boosts my ego. Unlike you, I am not hellbent on being considered an expert on hitting mechanics.

LOL P. We went over this already at the other place. Yes you do! You love it !

 

[_MIA_]

LOL P. We went over this already at the other place. Yes you do! You love it !

No I just love giving you sh%* I know my limitations.

 

[Shawn]

Top 5 hitter in baseball possible 40/40 or 50/50 guy.

no torque. none. Great turn though.

His hand and barrel are not in the correct position to TTB early.

 

[fanboi22]

His hand and barrel are not in the correct position to TTB early.

TTB early or TTB at all? What is the definition of TTB? I still think it is more of a concept without a specific definition. Even though i gave it a try earlier. I feel he is just giving himself less distance to create max speed. TTB and whip are still present. IMO

 

[Bobby Shirer]

I guess i would ask what is the alternative to TTB? I assume you are equating TTB to early bat speed. Again i would ask if you think early bat speed means barrel speed in excess of hand speed.

Yes, early bat speed in excess of hand speed but remember there is some slack and the barrel has mass that takes a beat longer to get moving. When u look at the time on the chart, it's very brief.

 

[Work=wins]

Just because he doesn't maintain (or even get to) a normal hinge angle doesn't mean there isn't some handle "torquing" going on at launch.

This here is TMesque ! Nice job ! LOL.

 

[Work=wins]

His hand and barrel are not in the correct position to TTB early.

yeah poor guy ! Can’t hit like that ! Funny how the barrel starts picking up speed once the core is stretched ! egos be damned !

 

[Bobby Shirer]

I guess asked another way, what is your definition of TTB? To me it is keeping a rigid hand set that stays in sync with the rotating torso. Again, if you can hold on, the faster your torso moves the faster your hands move the faster the barrel moves. It is not an active torque down hand set. It is the way the torso fires and tilts. IMO.

If you have better LQ, and fire with all cylinders, you should be faster to the ball. No question.

I should make a correction and say early TTB.
I'm defining TTB as turning the part of the barrel that is facing the catcher so it becomes the part of the barrel that contacts the ball. TTB early creates early bat speed. TTB is rotating the bat around the hands via wrist supination. TTB can be created through centrifugal force or by torquing the barrel, leveraging against a fulcrum.

 

[fanboi22]

I should make a correction and say early TTB.
I'm defining TTB as turning the part of the barrel that is facing the catcher so it becomes the part of the barrel that contacts the ball. TTB early creates early bat speed. TTB is rotating the bat around the hands via wrist supination. TTB can be created through centrifugal force or by torquing the barrel, leveraging against a fulcrum.

I would argue that there really isn't any significant supination. If you take any of the high level hitters, i think you will notice that you are mistaken supination for the torso tilt and the hands staying in the same position relative to the torso. I believe the turn that you see is the hands staying put and the torso firing and turning the complex. No supination except in cases where the barrel is extremely tipped forward and needs to get back into position. See video around the 1 min mark. His rear arm comes down and supinates slightly, but i do not think that is what you mean. If we were to get out the protractors i think the degrees of supination would be minimal. Front arm doesn't look to have any.

Which happens to be the only way that the barrel stays on the same relative path. As TM states in the clock face 12-6 videos. if you were supinating the barrel would drop deeper than that and loop under the path.

Edit: i think it is more of the elbow slot that causes the look of supination, not the actual forearm supinating. Again, just my opinion.

 

[fanboi22]

Bobby, you also haven't addressed the 'whip' in the sling. Sorry, i was really curious to hear your reply on that.